4-Door Barracuda

[Beavis]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: robber6910</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For someone that has a family to haul around it's a cool car. It's not easy stuffing 6 year old twins, their booster seats and accessories into the rear of a 2 door coupe. </div></div>

Good point. Sure it has a somewhat bigger rear seat and 2-extra doors so could be <span style="font-style: italic">somewhat</span> useful....

The 4-door trunk looks to be the same size as the two door model. If you've been around Chrysler E-bodies you'll know this tiny trunk and decklid opening won't fit a stroller - or a suitcase! It would barely fit one diaper bag. LOL.

My two cents. The &quot;smart money&quot; would've been to consider a sporty model of Chrysler's 1971 Plymouth B-Body Satellite 4-door. It could've used a 340 engine with dual exhaust, rallye wheels, buckets seats and console, maybee a blacked-out grille, subtle stripes, badging, etc if they really wanted to appeal to the young family market as you suggested. It would likely have been shot down, but 90% cheaper than the tooling to build a 4-door Barracuda.

[PlymouthX]

Preserving factual history for a manufacturer, be it Chrysler, Chevrolet, Ford, etc.. is part of our Hobby and for the future of our hobby!

It would have behooved the owner to obtain more factual proof of the existance of this &quot;4 door cuda&quot; prior to building this car and creating threads on multiple forums. Furthermore, as the &quot;For B Bodies Thread&quot; Beavis linked here. It displayed an owner who cannot accept any discussion &quot;UNLESS&quot; it is someone who agrees with him. It is apparent that anyone who questions the historical validity of this creation gets bullied into submission by this individual. The only thing the owner can come up with is some fly by night story from a reporter. No pictures, no documentation, no other sightings, etc.

In order to preserve history there has to be factual evidence in multiple forms, not just a single story. If not then it is just an urban legend.

I also do not understand why Chrysler would even consider this type of venture. A 4 door cuda with a trunk that has a &quot;spacer saver&quot; tire in it and even with that you cannot get ONE full-size suitcase in the trunk. The roof does not fit proportionally with the body and as others stated that was a pitfall of mixing two body styles.

Another question is where would have this car been built? Logistically, with all the different parameters from the 2 door line it would have been cost/profit prohibitive for this to occur.

[ZLP955]

Not that it matters one iota, but I don't have an opinion either way on this particular car. However, with several new members seemingly joining to put their arguments across, I can't help wondering if the subject car is perhaps nearing completion and about to debut at a show or auction somewhere, and hence question the motivation to re-open the discussion on this forum.
Let people form their own opinions based on the available information (or lack thereof).

[PlymouthX]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLP955</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not that it matters one iota, but I don't have an opinion either way on this particular car. However, with several new members seemingly joining to put their arguments across, I can't help wondering if the subject car is perhaps nearing completion and about to debut at a show or auction somewhere, and hence question the motivation to re-open the discussion on this forum.
Let people form their own opinions based on the available information (or lack thereof). </div></div>
This is a forum and I joined to be part of this discussion and in the future others here. As part of a discussion as I thought this thread was, I put in my two cents.

As far as this project I could care less where/when it debuts, sells etc.

I put in my two cents because preserving factual history is very important and not to be tampered with. Just because people want to follow the status quo and not rock the boat per se is not my problem as a newbie. However, I am greatly sure people have opinions when it comes to politics, religion, marriage, etc. but do we shun them because they started a thread on that topic or do we act civilized and have a discussion in a proper format called a FORUM.

Do you think the Builder has acted civilized? Or as a Bully?

Heck, maybe this is the only place where Beavis, who started this thread cannot be bullied into submission. It is very apparent in the &quot;for b bodies&quot; thread thats how the members with differing opinions were treated.

[Xplantdad]

Can both of you please post the rest of your info in your profile?

Unlike other sites, we like to get to know folks by their names. This site is moderated really well-and unlike some of the other sites-this site frowns on arguments spilling over from other sites as well. If the posts were closed on other sites, they were most likely closed for a reason.

Thanks for updating your profile info, PlymouthX and Beavis. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

[Beavis]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Can both of you please post the rest of your info in your profile?

Unlike other sites, we like to get to know folks by their names. This site is moderated really well-and unlike some of the other sites-this site frowns on arguments spilling over from other sites as well. If the posts were closed on other sites, they were most likely closed for a reason.

Thanks for updating your profile info, PlymouthX and Beavis. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] </div></div>

No worries. I have no intent to violate the board rules

[PeteLeathersac]

Welcome aboard Jeff...you too Jon C?
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~ Pete

[Xplantdad]

Thanks Jeff! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

[Beavis]

I do find this project interesting and I'm not derailing the thread.

I've been involved in lots of things over the years and my hobbies and interests have also evolved. For example automotive history has always been very interesting to me. So if I can please go back to my original point of the 4-door Barracuda (let me apologize in advance)....you'll either have to disagree, agree to disagree, forever hold your peace, or click off this topic I guess.

We all know General Motors had some of the highly designed and most exotic show cars with their Motorama exhibits from 1949 to 1961 (with the highlight being their the New York 1961 cars).

In those days corporate competition between the auto manufacture's designs (mainly from GM) was reaching a pinnacle, which is why Chrysler built a vehicle called the Chrysler Norseman......in Italy of all places.

This was a unique car. Completely styled from a scratch piece of paper by Chrysler in Highland Park, Michigan. Then the drawings and plans were sent from Chrysler to Ghia in Italy to build a running and driving prototype based from Chrysler's spec's

The final car took over 50,000 total man hours and was destined to be revealed by Chrysler to the public in 1956 as an auto show exhibit car. Unfortunately the vehicle in sank in the cargo hold of the Andrea Doria ship near the Northern United States while crossing Atlantic Ocean.

However the history, specifications, and photographs of this top secret car is well known in the Chrysler historical archives. Even some original drawings and documentation of the project have been preserved....all the way back from 1956.

In terms of our hobby there's been many historically significant automobiles (previously determined not to exist) that have been found and accounted for. On the other hand, there's some very well documented cars (like the Norseman and others like the Electric Corvair) that has simply have never been found, or will not be found.

Luckily proof has existed in documents and photographs for some long lost cars (that were previously that not to exist), or were supposedly &quot;disposed of&quot; by the manufacturer. I can go into detail here but I'll save time as my point relates to the 4-door Barracuda.

Over the years much historical data has been found, that has either lead to the search of, or have verified the findings of some of the last so called &quot;unicorns' in our hobby.

Here's the problem....and reason for my post. Right now we just can't call this 4-door Barracuda nothing more than a myth.

There's been no automotive enthusiast or collector to come forward with actual documented proof that a 1970 4-door Barracuda project ever existed in any form.

This is only a relevant subject because the builder, ECS says this car is based on a concept vehicle built by Chrysler in 1969, rather than something he created.

[Paul_S]

Which Electric Corvair documented and not found? Electrovair I &amp; II are known and II still exists as well as the Electrovan (Fuel Cell). Is there another?