COPO VALUES IN GENERAL

[firstgenaddict]

150k - 250k for a non Yenko depending on whether or not it has the Sports Car Conversion, D80, gauges etc...
Setting aside the engine and a few major items, without having a fairly extensive base of knowledge about the minute details of COPO's, a person could overlook one in a micro second... however if you know the numbers all you have to do is look at a Mopar TT.

[tom406]

Boss 429's are right in the thick of this debate, with production of 1358 (859/499-69/70), a big special motor and an iconic bodystyle. All 4speeds so we don't have to worry about that variable. They're currently in this price structure as well, with $150K buying a good car without a lot of needs, but likely with a NOM block and in a common color (White or Grabber Blue). $200K+ for killer cars with original engines, and to get beyond that you probably would have to have a time capsule black or red S-motor (so-called NASCAR spec motor the first 272 cars had) car with perfect history.

Though I agree that the market drives these similar cars to similar levels, I bristle a bit when people try to formulate equations based upon production and horsepower ratings. Boss 302's and '69 Z/28's shouldn't be valuable with these criteria. Less than 300 advertised hp and 20K production do not equate with $50K-$100K examples. Just demand and supply.

And people have to like the cars. Copos, Bosses, and Cudas are pretty cars. Hemi Darts are awesome, but not pretty, and not practical to even hit a cruise night in.

Finally, IMO you have to forgive a LOT about E-bodies to step up and pay the big money. I loved looking at these cars since I was a kid. Wanted a Challenger since I first saw Kowalski popping pills and burning rubber on a midnight showing of Vanishing Point. Finally got my first drive (in a RED 440 6 PACK, no less) in '93. I was very disappointed The doors that rattle for 5 seconds after you close them, the interior made out of too few pieces of molded plastic, etc. I've never gotten over it. I'll probably never own a 70/71 Cuda or Challenger because of my failure to allow great style and killer drivetrains to overcome the rest of it. (No offense to E body owners. You have beautiful cars. I just won't be buying them )

[Stefano]

We sold a few Hemi Cudas last year all were 4 speeds.

The low was $165,000.00 for a driver quality Hemi up to the Mid $200,000.00 range. The Hemi Cuda we had at Russo and Steele last year was a no sale at $235-$240,000, range plus the buyers premium.

We also currently have a very original Survivor Cuda for sale which will be running across the block at Russo and Steele in a couple of weeks, so we might have a chance to feel things out on that one.

Comparable L72 9561 COPO Camaros have been and are bringing close to these prices today. Tomorrow may be different.

Yenko L72 9561s fetch approx. $75-$100k more, car for car and ZL1 9560 COPOs fetch approx. double the Yenko number car for car.

With that said generalities are just that, and when the supply demand equasion is out of whack either way, you can have wild price swings up or down.

[HPMIKE]

Have you sold or know of any '71 Hemi E bodies that have sold recently-specifically Challengers??

MB

[quick-bowtie]

I sold a Low Mileage MINT original body Black 71' Hemi Challenger 4 spd Mr. Norms car with TONS of original documentation last year.. for I beleive $235k which I thought was fair money for a non shaker car with a warranty motor.

I currently know of a couple 71's for sale around the 200k range. I would say the market is 175k to 275k depending on the car, color and options and add about another 100k on top of that for a 71' Cuda IMO. And those are price where you could find a buyer I know some guys are still asking insane money but they arent finding buyers.

[hvychev]

I agree with Joe that I too am tired of all of these "what's it worth" threads and other topics that get to be nonsensical. I don't know, but this site has been getting less and less interesting. When I visit here, which has been less and less frequent these days, there are a ton of names that I don't even recognize with under 100 posts debating Mopars, Oldsmobiles, and other cars I couldn't care less about. This is a Chevy Supercar site. See the definition of supercar in Joey's post. Those cars should be discussed here first and foremost. If I want to learn about Mopars I will go to the moparts board or whatever it is called. I just long for threads where I actually learn something usefull about Chevrolet dealer built and factory supercars. Unfortunately, the people that used to possess the knowledge that I learned from also don't post as frequently. The few times I have clicked on Ford or Mopar sites I never see guys boasting about their Chevy's, but I see all kinds of heated debate surrounding other brands here every day.

[Stefano]

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Have you sold or know of any '71 Hemi E bodies that have sold recently-specifically Challengers??

MB

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The '71 E-bodies still bring a premium to the '70s, car for car.

Since there were so few '71 Hemis built, options, color and quality can really make a difference in value, such as the shaker option on a '71 Challenger.

I was the under bidder on Andy's Challenger, for resale inventory. That car was well bought, by another one of our good customers.

Moderators; If you think the thread should be moved, I would tend to agree.

[MultiMopars]

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We sold a few Hemi Cudas last year all were 4 speeds.

The low was $165,000.00 for a driver quality Hemi up to the Mid $200,000.00 range. The Hemi Cuda we had at Russo and Steele last year was a no sale at $235-$240,000, range plus the buyers premium.

We also currently have a very original Survivor Cuda for sale which will be running across the block at Russo and Steele in a couple of weeks, so we might have a chance to feel things out on that one.

Comparable L72 9561 COPO Camaros have been and are bringing close to these prices today. Tomorrow may be different.

Yenko L72 9561s fetch approx. $75-$100k more, car for car and ZL1 9560 COPOs fetch approx. double the Yenko number car for car.
With that said generalities are just that, and when the supply demand equasion is out of whack either way, you can have wild price swings up or down.

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Why is it that so many people assign such a value to such a thing? I see people making statements like this about Mr. Norm's cars as well. You won't find any add for such a thing in ANY old car price guide and I wonder if anyone has anyway of knowing if it REALLY adds any value to a car as it is seldom that two identical cars sold from different dealerships are available at the same time to the same buyer.

Not your remark but anothers.
As to the comments about WIW threads read my remarks in an earlier post. Along with the thought that if you exclude all of them as well as other that are not absolutely pertainate to what SOME are looking for in a web site there would not be much content and web site would soon flounder. I think the fact that it is 5 pages speaks to the fact that OTHERS are interested. This is the reason web sites have different forums of interest. If you don't like what is on this forum you can move to another. My guess is that your not finding things of interest is because MOST of those things have been discussed to the point there is nothing left to talk about.

This IS an everchanging market in one regard...selling prices, therfore I think it is VERY worthy of discussion and that most people find it interesting.

[quick-bowtie]

I dont know what to tell you but Ive been messing with cars for along time and I can say 100% the selling dealers of cars can make a differance and add value. Just the facts Ive seen it happen time and time again and know plenty of people that will step up and pay more for a car from Mr. Norms, Yenko, Nickey, Gibb, Dana etc..

[rubbinisracing]

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Yenko L72 9561s fetch approx. $75-$100k more, car for car and ZL1 9560 COPOs fetch approx. double the Yenko number car for car.
With that said generalities are just that, and when the supply demand equasion is out of whack either way, you can have wild price swings up or down.

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Why is it that so many people assign such a value to such a thing? I see people making statements like this about Mr. Norm's cars as well. You won't find any add for such a thing in ANY old car price guide and I wonder if anyone has anyway of knowing if it REALLY adds any value to a car as it is seldom that two identical cars sold from different dealerships are available at the same time to the same buyer.


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I surely don't speak for others, but as a collector I would definitely pay more for a Yenko than a Non-Yenko COPO comparable car. I'm not going to quantify the difference and leave that to the negotiation.