Crossram on eBay

[SuperNovaSS]

Rick,

You make a very good point. I guess it is like having to pay parking at the stadium when any of us go to a sporting event etc. The only reason I see Paypal to be an asset to the seller is the item may bring more money when that option is availible. It seems like winning bidders want their item shipped the day after paying with paypal even if it takes them a week to pay. Sometimes I have to work the day after they pay. It also takes time to find boxes etc for some larger items such as seats. It is tough to pack them ahead of time since questions are asked on specific parts of an item. Also, if the items are packed ahead of time and a bidder wins more than one item then they must all be unpacked and repacked into one box. Some bidders have a hard time understanding that. When a buyer pays with a money order it gives me at least a few days to find a box/boxes and get the item ready to ship. Charging the bidder for paypal fees seems fair to me. If a buyer wins an item for $100 or less, the 5% would be worth it considering the time to go to the post office, pay for a money order etc. But if the bidder wins a $1000 item they may want to go through the trouble of getting the money order to save the $50 fee. I think Paypal offers many more advantages to the buyer than it does for the seller and as such the buyer should pay the fee.


Jason

[djunod]

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Jason,
I don't think he'd really turn you in, but if it's against eBay's TOS, then why would you continue to tack a 5% charge on?

Especially being that the charge is (as I understand) only 2.9%?

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Correct on all counts. Except, if you only have a personal account with PayPal, there are no charges at all.


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The Buy It Now option is almost useless with the scammers clicking on every auction and mass-mailing bogus money orders outa Nigeria and Russia.



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That's where only accepting PayPal as a payment method works to your benefit.

[SuperNovaSS]

You're right it is only 2.9%. I charge 5% as an arbitrary number that is easy to figure and since I think it is a service to accept paypal to begin with. I list the 5% charge in my Ebay auction listing so people know it exists before they bid. Now that I know it is against policy I will not do it.
You can only transfer a certain amount of money to have a personal account. Most, if not all sellers get charged the 2.9% plus 30 cents. I have trouble understanding how any winning bidder could be upset about a charge that was stated before they bid and included in the EBay invoice. Further more, it seems absurd for a winnign bidder to be upset at me for asking for the 5% that was never paid to begin with, no matter how long it was after the payment was made.


Jason

[Rick H]

Jason,
That is exactly why I do not use PayPal and prefer money orders. Saves me from getting hit twice on an auction using PayPal, gives me some time to get the package ready and I don't have to charge anything extra to the buyer to cover the ridiculous combination of eBay/PayPal fees.
I would also think that the buyer would appreciate not having to pay anything extra and those of us who ask for money orders also understand that it might take a few days to get the money order sent out and have no problems with it.
I guess you could also look at it another way in that if the buyer insisted on paying through PayPal so he could get the item sooner then I guess he/she shouldn't have a problem paying the extra fee to get it.
Power sellers that use PayPal exclusively might not think about it too much but if they added up all of the extra fees paid to PayPal I would imagine it would be significant.
And yes, it is very buyer friendly. I can't say the same thing for the seller.
The best way not to get hit for the second fee is just not to use PayPal.
Am I thinking wrong in not wanting to pay eBay TWICE for the same item?? In my opinion, NO!


Rick H.

[camarojoe]

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There are alotta things that are starting to reek outa eBay. People are dumping their accounts daily.

Mac

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Who is dumping their ebay accounts? Fact is there are 1000's of new members signing up daily. This thread started out at least talking about crossram intakes, but now its been turned into yet another ebay/paypal gripe session that has absolutely nothing to do with supercars at all anymore. IMO It should be put into the lounge where its not wasting space in the general supercar discussion area.
-JB

[Unreal]

I have a house for sale........please add 6% surcharge to the total.

The ones that irritate me on ebay are the guys who charge shipping and "handling" at two or three times the actual shipping cost.

[jfkheat]

I don't have a problem with high shipping and handling fees as long as I know what they are up front. I know how much I want to bid and have the fees calculated in.
James

[GOAT72]

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Who is dumping their ebay accounts? Fact is there are 1000's of new members signing up daily. This thread started out at least talking about crossram intakes, but now its been turned into yet another ebay/paypal gripe session that has absolutely nothing to do with supercars at all anymore. IMO It should be put into the lounge where its not wasting space in the general supercar discussion area.
-JB

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JB,
The discussion IS about the crossram. The guy has a charge in his auction that is against eBay's TOS.
Depending on what the CR sells for that would DIRECTLY effect the final price.
What makes it "off-topic" to you is that the word "eBay" was mentioned. In any eBay related topic you come in and complain that we're stealing valuable bandwidth.

Who's leaving eBay?
Read their discussion boards. Go to Yahoo Groups and see how many anti-eBay discussion forums have formed.
How do YOU know they are getting 1000's of sign-ups every day?

I DO know that overstock.com has had over 30,000 sign-ups in the past month since they announced they were going to target eBay's dissatisfied sellers and buyers.

They are advertising this on TV and radio and are trying to capitalize on eBay's apathetic approach to members who have been scammed or phished.

How is this thread "wasting space"? Are we running out?
If you don't like the thread, don't read it.

We all make donations to this forum, just like you, and have a right to discuss things - especially if they pertain to the original post -- without being censored by you.

We have moderators here who can bump threads around if warranted and last time I checked... you weren't one.

I promise to never tell you what or how to post and I'd appreciate the same courtesy.

[Big Block Bill]

My thoughts exactly.

Bill

[Mark_C]

I bought a Hot LT4 roller cam off of Ebay from someone in Las Vegas, NV using Paypal, and thankfully using my CC. The stiff sent me his old LG4 cam that he took out of the car in the LT4 roller tube, and then tried to tell me he got the cam from a friend and didn't realize it was the wrong one, yada yada yada. I gave him 29 days to resolve it then reported him to Ebay, and Paypal. Ebay never said anything about the fraud report, Paypal essentially said he sent you something so to bad there is nothing they could do. Called my CC company sent them pictures of what he sent, what he was supposed to send, etc. and they reversed the charges on Paypal. About a day after that happened I get emails from Paypal asking what they could do to help me. I sent them a copy of their previous reply to me and told them good luck getting their money from the guy in NV. I almost always use my CC now when using PP just incase this happens again.

If I can't use Paypal, 99 times out of 100 I won't bid, it would have to be something I really wanted otherwise.