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Old 06-12-2005, 09:13 AM
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Default 2002 ZL1 Pics & Paint Specs

I am preparing for a full (show quality) repaint on my '02 Camaro SS. I'm planning to transform the car into a ZL1 Phase II clone. This is not for the purpose of resale - it is solely for my own enjoyment. I met with the painter today, and I need some specifics regarding ZL1 paint. I need some very detailed pictures and measurements of the stripes - hood, roof, and rear deck/spoiler. Can anyone help me with this info? I understand this will take some time, so I'm willing to compensate for your time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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You may want to ask your questions on a differant forum. Clones, no matter how well intended, are often frowned upon by legitimate owners.

Some friendly advice.
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While I do agree with Craig, I think with a newer car, like the one in question, one that will not see value increase for a long while, is quite different.

I would send an e-mail do the guys at GMMG.
http://www.gmmginc.net/index.html


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Craig - Thanks for the friendly advice, but I believe this is a matter of intent and opinion. Allow me to clarify for better understanding. As a long time classic car restorer and collector, I condemn cloning with the intent to deceive or misrepresent. However, I do not believe there is anything wrong with changing the appearance of a car to suit your personal taste. Isn't that what hot rodding is all about? After all - isn't that what a select group of dealers did to create the Supercars we all know and love? I'm not trying to duplicate or forge documentation - I simply want the ZL1 stripe that runs down the center of the car. Anyone who thinks this is wrong needs a serious reality check. Without customization and personalization, these cars and the hobby as we know it would not exist.

Dan - I will try GMMG, but historically they have been quite protective of anything relating to these cars.

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I'm sure someone can measure one for you and take it from there...
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Absolutely, it is up to you to do what you want with your car. However, I certainly understand the other side of this. For a really intense discussion, check this out over on Camaros.net

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=59087

There is also a previous thread where brickyard69 talks about his old clone was being represented as a real Z/28, even though he sold it on ebay and represented it as clone.

Next sale the trim tag was swapped out!!!

Just some food for thought.

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I am preparing for a full (show quality) repaint on my '02 Camaro SS. I'm planning to transform the car into a ZL1 Phase II clone. This is not for the purpose of resale - it is solely for my own enjoyment. I met with the painter today, and I need some specifics regarding ZL1 paint. I need some very detailed pictures and measurements of the stripes - hood, roof, and rear deck/spoiler. Can anyone help me with this info? I understand this will take some time, so I'm willing to compensate for your time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

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Our 02 Zl1's are very special cars that should not be cloned. Any unauthorized copy, or attempted copy, of anything is fecal matter in our society. Knock off Rolex, Calloway, etc are prime examples.
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Come on Steve, don't hold back. How do you really feel about this?
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I am preparing for a full (show quality) repaint on my '02 Camaro SS. I'm planning to transform the car into a ZL1 Phase II clone. This is not for the purpose of resale - it is solely for my own enjoyment. I met with the painter today, and I need some specifics regarding ZL1 paint. I need some very detailed pictures and measurements of the stripes - hood, roof, and rear deck/spoiler. Can anyone help me with this info? I understand this will take some time, so I'm willing to compensate for your time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

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Our 02 Zl1's are very special cars that should not be cloned. Any unauthorized copy, or attempted copy, of anything is fecal matter in our society. Knock off Rolex, Calloway, etc are prime examples.

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Perhaps I should take a moment to clarify my original post to facilitate ease of understanding. I am not attempting an "unathorized copy", as you have implied. If you take a minute to read the entire thread, you will see that I'm interested in the stripe. Applying one visual element hardly constitutes an attempted copy.

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I would think with all the documentation and unique pieces GMMG added to the car cloning would be next to impossible. Most of us even have pictures of our cars as they were being assembled. But.....if you really want to measure the stripes just get on I-10 and head east until you feel stupid...you will be in Alabama, keep going a few hundred miles and call me. At that time you will be about 350 south of Atlanta. I'll give you directions from there.

Hell, you might even want to take my original LS6 ZL1 engine back with you, the clutch, rear end, drive shaft, front end parts, A/C, gas tank, shifter and various other parts. J/K...I guess I'll have to store all that crap until Hell freezes over.
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