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08-21-2008, 08:22 AM
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Rim color?
I think it was discussed before, but I can't find the thread. The FC rims off my 68 rally green camaro were never green. They were black, with dog dishes. What is the reason they were black instead of body color?
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08-21-2008, 08:34 AM
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Re: Rim color?
I thought the dog dish got body color wheels and the full wheel cover got black wheels. That's how my Nova is.
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08-21-2008, 09:23 AM
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Re: Rim color?
Are you sure your car was ordered with dog dishes ? I have heard lots of stories about dealers switching wheels and hubcaps between cars when a customer wanted other wheels than those on the car.
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08-21-2008, 09:35 AM
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Re: Rim color?
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I thought the dog dish got body color wheels and the full wheel cover got black wheels. That's how my Nova is. [/ QUOTE ] That was the general rule, but exceptions have been noted... One in particular that comes to mind is Joey Swezey's gold 69 Dana Nova. Might have just been a supply issue, ie: no wheels in the correct body color as the car was coming down the line, so they ended up with black ones instead. Just a guess. 
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08-21-2008, 05:56 PM
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Re: Rim color?
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That was the general rule, but exceptions have been noted... [/ QUOTE ] So true. The old 'always and never' rule. 
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08-22-2008, 12:24 AM
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Re: Rim color?
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[ QUOTE ] I thought the dog dish got body color wheels and the full wheel cover got black wheels. That's how my Nova is. [/ QUOTE ] That was the general rule, but exceptions have been noted... One in particular that comes to mind is Joey Swezey's gold 69 Dana Nova. Might have just been a supply issue, ie: no wheels in the correct body color as the car was coming down the line, so they ended up with black ones instead. Just a guess. [/ QUOTE ] According to JohnZ all 5 wheels were painted at the same time as the front sheetmetal, at Chevrolet assembly.
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08-22-2008, 03:11 AM
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Re: Rim color?
I agree with that, except that the rims were painted in enamel, where the body was in lacquer. At any rate, my research on earlier cars shows that the "dog dish" cap was not optional; it was the standard hub cap. If a combination of white wall tires AND a full wheel cover was ordered, then the wheels were painted black, otherwise they were body color. Now since a SuperSport automatically came with full wheel covers, if white wall tires were ordered, the rims would have been black, but IF the car was built with the standard black wall tires, I'd suspect it would be delivered with body colored wheels.
It's very difficult to tell exactly how a car was sold new if it was a "stock" car rather than an "ordered" car. Dealers routinely made changes to their inventoried cars to make them more attractive to buyers. A very typical change would be to add full wheel covers to a car, thus making it look much better on the lot. (not like a cheapie) None of those dealer changes would appear on ANY paperwork. Verne 
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08-22-2008, 04:25 AM
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Re: Rim color?
[quote... One in particular that comes to mind is Joey Swezey's gold 69 Dana Nova. Might have just been a supply issue, ie: no wheels in the correct body color as the car was coming down the line, so they ended up with black ones instead. Just a guess.
[/ QUOTE ]  This car? One of the finest looking Novas I've ever seen. 
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08-22-2008, 05:00 PM
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Re: Rim color?
My bad... didn't say anything about the same time as sheetmetal...
JohnZ said.... The steel wheels were received raw in rail cars, and sent through a hot cleaning and iron phosphating system, then dip-primed or flow-coated with black primer and baked. Then they they were mounted on spinning hubs on racks (5 wheels to a rack) on a conveyor and the outer face of the wheel was sprayed with body color gloss wheel enamel, and they were baked again. From there they were conveyed to the tire mounting and balancing system. Only the outer face of the wheel had body color on it.
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08-22-2008, 06:02 PM
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Re: Rim color?
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... Now since a SuperSport automatically came with full wheel covers, if white wall tires were ordered, the rims would have been black, but IF the car was built with the standard black wall tires, I'd suspect it would be delivered with body colored wheels. Verne [/ QUOTE ] That may be true on Impalas, but 68 SS Camaros (car in question) did not get full wheel covers as standard equipment as part of the SS package, they got steelies with dog dishes. I still say cars that came with black wheels likely came that way because of a supply problem with having the proper color of wheels at the time of assembly... The fact that the wheel paint was totally different type of paint than the body paint makes me feel even more confident that this could have, and likely DID happen on occassion...
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