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I was doing some cleaning of the undercarriage on the black 70 4spd car and noticed some primer showing through....beautiful red oxide finish. Car was undercoted with Ziebart back in the day....just wiping with some WD-40 took off some loose stuff and there it was. I will post some pics tomorrow (digital battery went south)...it amazes me how original this car is underneath...lots of cool details...real time capsule https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

wilma https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/308...acknova386.jpg

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Wilma, I tried to order a brand new '70 Nova SS in black and the dealer told me that color wasn't offered. I asked him to special order it in black or I wouldn't buy it. He just shrugged his shoulders and said it wasn't worth his time for what he'd make on the car. I left and bought a '70 MG Midget!

Verne
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"I left and bought a '70 MG Midget!"

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif...That's a hell of a swing.

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That had to be a sight; Verne's big carcass in an MG Midget! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Maybe he has some pictures.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

wilma

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I needed something inexpensive for college after I retired the '62 for drag racing, and it "fit me like a glove". Drove it for 10 years. After the Nova deal fizzled, what was left???

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Wilma,
I sure am sorry for side-tracking your thread. I do have some pics of it, but not on computer. I got a lot of wide-eyed looks when I unfolded myself from that car. It wasn't much longer than I was! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

By the way, I LOVE your Nova. IF that rat dealer would have let me order one, I KNOW I'd still own it today................! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I was doing some cleaning of the undercarriage on the black 70 4spd car and noticed some primer showing through....beautiful red oxide finish. Car was undercoted with Ziebart back in the day....just wiping with some WD-40 took off some loose stuff and there it was. I will post some pics tomorrow (digital battery went south)...it amazes me how original this car is underneath...lots of cool details...real time capsule https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

wilma https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/308...acknova386.jpg

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I see it doesn't get Cold or Snow in Hillaryland.....Better Cut the Grass while Karen is away.(Extra Points)

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I shoveled snow instead....we got 8" on Sunday and 5" more today...naturally the snowmobiles are upstate in the barn...oh well https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

wilma(head of the household, this week https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif)

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My dealer told me I couldn't order those rims. How do they show coded on the window sticker? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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Those wheels were an option on the 69-70 Nova Super Sport models only.. They did not come on an ordinary, non SS Nova. They would be coded RPO N66 for 1970. They are commonly referred to as the "five spoke SS wheel" They were also available on the 69-70 SS Chevelles....

Rich

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I ordered, and recieved a 70 SS L78 nova. My dealer told me the only thing I could get was ralleys. I know you could order them on chevelles. That's why I wanted them on my nova. Maybe my dealer was a dumba$$ too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Are these the same wheels?
http://bakersfield.craigslist.org/pts/524992279.html

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I have the big 1970 Chevy sales book and it shows those 5 spoke wheels as an ordering option for the Nova SS. The salesman probably didn't want to do the added paperwork to special order the wheels. Probably a lazy a$$ in addition to being a dumb a$$... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

Eddie, those are the same wheels as shown on the craigslist ad. You have to be careful though because those wheels are being re-poped and there is a difference in value from an original set vs. re-pop set.. The re-pops look nice, I have seen them in person. All depends on what your after I guess.. For 1970 I believe the correct stamp code for those wheels should be AO...

Rich

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I just ran across them they been on craiglist for sometime if anyone is intersted in them they are 45mins from me

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Below are misc pics of Jack Seymours Micgigan based Survivor, Unrestored, Norwood 70 Z-28 showing Red Oxide underfloor. Some pics also have Orange overspray, which is difficult to tell from the Red Oxide..........

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...8/FuelTank.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...8/Seymour1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...fterSpeedo.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...28/Under11.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...28/Under21.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...oorpanPlug.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...hlHse2Left.jpg

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I'll check with a friend who has the Gobi/Saddle gut SS car. I haven't seen it for a while but it seems to me that car has the 5 spoke wheels. If he has any documentation I'll see if I can get the codes.
So Black wasn't available on '70 Novas? Interesting....... and that leads me to another question. Was Burnished Brown available on '69 Novas?

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Just talked with the owner of the Gobi car. No hard documentation for the car but he has talked with the past three owners. Everything indicates it had rallys on it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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I remember reading that you would like to see proof ie: original window sticker, build sheet etc. or other that they offered the N66 wheels on the 70 Novas. I tried high and low but could not find any of the above then I realized that I had seen a several copies of the GM Canadian documented Novas and sure enough the RPO N66 was there on a couple. I remember you said you tried to order them on your 70 Nova new but the dealer said they were not offered, just like Vernes dealer telling him that he could not order Tuxedo Black on a Nova but you could. I feel that someone will turn up with a original Window sticker someday showing the N66 wheel but I never seen one either. I still believe that they were available as per the assembly manuals and brochures in 70 and seeing original cars back in the day. I think your dealer was wrong or mistaken. Alot of dealers did not know about COPO Camaros either but we all know now they were available. I always thought on 69-70 Chevelle SS that the N66 wheel was standard. Tom when I clicked on your attachment to see the Red Oxide primer all that popped up was that Beautiful Black Nova! Just my thoughts https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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Sorry I haven't posted the photo yet...hopefully tomorrow. I will also post a picture of the original 70 L78 Nova window sticker showing the SS wheels and Tuxedo Black paint...may also see if the wheels are listed on the broadcast sheets I have for the car...

wilma https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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I still remember pretty well how I had "my" Nova spec'd out with the salesman. We had everything else picked and approved and left the color to last, which of course killed the deal. It was going to be an SS, 350, 4-spd, posi, black interior, FM and the 5 spoke wheels.
Is it possible that the black on black combo wasn't available at the beginning of production? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif
Verne

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I still remember pretty well how I had "my" Nova spec'd out with the salesman. We had everything else picked and approved and left the color to last, which of course killed the deal. It was going to be an SS, 350, 4-spd, posi, black interior, FM and the 5 spoke wheels.
Is it possible that the black on black combo wasn't available at the beginning of production? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif
Verne

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That is strange for sure Verne. The exact car you outline with the exception of the FM sits not 5 miles from me with the original owner.I see him from time to time so will ask if it was a early car or not.

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I know of several black 70 camaros that had special order black paint. I have a window sticker from one of the cars and it was available as an extra cost option.

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Undercarriage photo of red oxide primer...


https://www.yenko.net/attachments/309262-tn_DSCN0899.JPG

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All of the children sleeping...


https://www.yenko.net/attachments/309264-tn_DSCN0889.JPG

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Black car in for service....

and yes that is a 5 blade fan hanging up https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/309265-tn_DSCN0893.JPG

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Get some Drywall in that place, a man of your stature....

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gifI'm jealous. What are the dimensions of this area?

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gifI'm jealous. What are the dimensions of this area?

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Big x large! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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All of the children sleeping...


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Spoiled Brat x 10........ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gifI'm jealous. What are the dimensions of this area?

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The shop is a nice building....approx. 32 x 40. I can fit 8 cars but then there is no room to work...we keep 4 across the back and 3 in front. I use those dollys to roll the cars close together to optimize space. Space has radiant heat in the floor, alarm system, great lighting, quiet neighborhood (except for me)Plan on looking for a lift this year if I can....with the radiant heat we don't use the storage bags...don't need it. The guy built it big enough to store his motorhome in. Temp stays at about 60* all winter and very low moisture. the guy has the sheetrock to finish the inside, but that's a summer project because the cars would have to be moved outside.


https://www.yenko.net/attachments/309286-tn_DSCN0762.JPG

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Cool. 32 x 40 is exactly the size I'm looking at. I hoped to build something tall enough to get my trailer inside as well but that's probably not gonna happen. Budgetary concerns. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif (Midwest translation; POOR!)

NICE SHOP! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Dennis, he used to keep his motorhome in there, until I threw him out to get more room https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/309339-tn_DSCN0734.JPG

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What do you guys think is the best cleaning agent to use on the underbody to try and bring out as much oxide paint as possible?

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If you're trying to remove undercoating/sound deadener, I highly recommend the good old Kerosene and paintbrush method. Apply with a spray bottle, let sit overnight, scrub with the soft brushes and wipe down with rags,.......repeat, repeat, repeat! For normal road grime and the like it's hard to beat Simple Green or Krud Kutter. But probably the MOST important item is PATIENCE. Soft brushes are key to retaining the original finish and markings. It takes longer (much, much longer) but you'll be happier at the end.

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Here you go Mr. Iowa....tuxedo black and 5 spoke wheels https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif


https://www.yenko.net/attachments/309682-tn_DSCN0902.JPG

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closeup...sorry it got sideways https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/309684-tn_DSCN0904.JPG

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another...


https://www.yenko.net/attachments/309686-tn_DSCN0907.JPG

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You have to many nova's- time to sell some https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Get on a plane and bring your check book.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif


wilma https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif