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1970 Nova SS 396 L78-Speed CANADIAN car Factory Build Sheet . ALL NUMBERS MATCHING. Dark Green on black interior Just completed Frame off Restoration to concour level. Gary [email protected] 561-445-0649 check website at www.moviestarmusclecars.com $75000.00

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Cool ride, big improvement over what it looked like before with that awful yellow paint and tacky looking engine bay!!

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Gary, I would like to know how you can try to pass this car off as something it's NOT? I have know about this car since Jim bought it, must be close to 15 years ago. It didn't have the original motor in it then? Also the Mileage was WAY more than 31 K when he bought it. So now all of a sudden the car has LESS miles AND the original motor??? Sounds a little fishy to me? And to think that the Legendary Motor car trail was used to pick this car up from BRANTFORD. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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I don't see the 30K miles statement. Don't know about the numbers matching part. Some now consider a restamp or date correct numbers matching. Splitting hairs if you ask me. Numbers matching should be born with engine, trans, rear etc. in my opinion.


Jason

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It says miles here on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...p;rd=1&rd=1

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Gary,

Please clarify. Does the car have it's "born with" engine?

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It looks to be a nice quality driver restoration. There are a LOT of things that need to be addressed to make it the, and I quote from the Ebay add "This is the best example of any 70 Nova SS in existence period." https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif One guy on this board has about 3 BB Novas that will "eat this cars lunch." "" NONE FINER"" You open yourself up to some critiquing with that kind of claim. Good luck with your sale. m

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This car was at the RM auction in Toronto a couple of weeks ago. Based on what I saw of the mangled cowl tag and the rivets holding it, I doubt the cowl tag was "born with" the body. Highest bid was $68,000 CDN...Owner told me later he was looking for $85,000 CDN. I did notice it had the wrong fan blade and a few cosmetic issues. Owners did not want anyone to get too close to the car. As soon as it came off the auction block it was loaded on to a trailer back to Montreal.

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This guy appears to have gotten caught red handed on a bunch of different levels. His real problems will come when and if he actually sells the car based on the BS information. I hope nobody gets taken and don't hold your breath on this guy responding anytime soon.!

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This is one of the reasons why I would like to see Classifieds open to paid members only.

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Patience Please! Good explanations take a while to create!

My bet is with "JRSully", no response.

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An inquiry to the N.Y.State Dep't of Motor Vehicles concerning "restamping engine blocks brought this response..............
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The re-stamping of an engine block by the dealer, as you described in your Email to us, is an illegal act.

Specifically, New York State Penal Law section 170.65 states: Knowingly destroying, covering, defacing, altering, or otherwise changing the form or appearance of a vehicle identification number on any vehicle or COMPONENT PART--such as an engine--is defined as forgery of a vehicle identification number, a class E felony, punishable by no less than 1 1/2 to no more than 4 years imprisonment.
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In Response too all these gracious comments, I am chimming too set the record straight.1 In ref to miles I at no time certify the miliage to be actual and did not advertise it as such as I have only owned this vehicule for a year and no idea as to prier usage.All I did was mark what was on the actual speedo and this being a restored car not a survivor I considered miliage unimportant.2 About the engine this is not the first time nor will it be the last that an actual engine has been recovered. Ref too the auction RM in Toronto the car was on display for two Full days where thousands of people were invited to view and inspect the car thoroughly, which many people did.Yes we left Saterday after the car rolled, as we had a long ride home . This was an auction and not car show.Let me be clear '' No disrespect too you Nova guy;s, and this is a sweet piece ,but it is really nothing in comparison too my collection of High end Mopars and Pontiacs.My name has always been good and have no blemishes in over ten years of collecting and dealing in million dollar cars. I don;t need to ruin my reputation to make an extra $5000.00 to doctor up a Nova.

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About the engine this is not the first time nor will it be the last that an actual engine has been recovered.
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Please tell us the story behind finding the "Original" engine..........It always neat to hear these how these things happen..........

Ken

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Gary, as the guy who started this mess for you, I would like a chance to reply. I know I have not seen this car since you bought it. I would like to point out that YOUR eBay add leads people to believe that this is a 31000 mile car, as it shows that there, and does not say anywhere that those might not be the correct or not? YOU printed the info such as "NONE FINER" and "BEST EXAMPLE OF ANY 70 NOVA SS IN EXISTANCE"? PERIOD!!!

Now that I do not, or will not want to get into, like I said, I haven't seen the car SINCE JIM OWNED it. And on that note, HE was told, or told us that the original motor had broke the block and a rod though it, and eventually scraped. Therefore this motor was built in it's place. Much like my '69 396/350 car with a '72 402 built to 375hp specs.

I don't know about the cowl tag and rivets, but I have been on your site, and putting the CONN plate on it even looks like your trying to pass it off as something it's not, SORRY. I just hear so much about this in this field, and if I can shed some light on this for someone who has no $$$ into this car, might let others see what the car is, or was.

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Dear BigG,

First, It seems I was 50% wrong in my previous post. I want to say I'm sorry and hope you will accept my appology.

It's great to hear that the car has been re-united with the original engine. I'm sure with your considerable experience with million dollar cars you knew to document your efforts in obtaining the original engine. The names and phone numbers of the past owners of both the car and engine and your conversations with them will be of great interest to prospective buyers. Signed and notarized affidavits from those same people and a receipt for the purchase of the engine on letterhead or a pre-printed invoice with sellers name and address are great documentation. This would create a fantastic paper trail and along with the build sheet and GM of Canada paperwork are great provenance for your car. I have emailed a copy of this thread to myself and suggest you might do so as well, to include as part of such history keeping.

I'm sure you were already aware of the steps I suggested. But I wanted to make sure those less familar with what to look for in their due diligence had some idea of the questions they would be asked when selling their own car.

If you would care to share the tale of obtaining the original engine with all of us, we would enjoy it immensely. It would also keep you from having to tell the same story over and over as you could provide a link to this thread or email a copy to those genuinely interested in purchasing your car.

Best Regards,

Howard Cox
aka "rubbinisracing"
[email protected]

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....and while you're explaining the engine retrieval, please explain how you saved a block with such destruction so our members can benefit from such knowledge. What kind of glue did you use?

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I didn't actually read what he said as having found the orig engine for the car. Let us please keep this civil.

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Hylton...I wouldn't put a lot of faith in this statement either...cool looking car but it should be inspected by the buyer .Ultimately they have to be happy with the car.

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I didn't actually read what he said as having found the orig engine for the car. Let us please keep this civil.

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Charley, this is the response to my asking if the car had it's born with engine:

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About the engine this is not the first time nor will it be the last that an actual engine has been recovered.

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I think the response implies he has recovered the original engine. Gary can clarify.

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This story reminds me of every accusation lately,whether it be pointed toward a car owner or a Lacrosse player from Duke. The "accuser"[in this case a user with 2 posts] is always taken as credible without showing any proof of his claim, while the burden of proof is placed solely on the "accused". I dont know this car at all and im not siding with anyone, but why isnt anyone asking the accuser for proof of HIS claim.

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Damn good question...EZNOVA...speak up....

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Hylton... I agree that is what most of us take from his comment but it really wasn't saying he had found the orig engine.

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When I was a kid I would have my rearend "tore up" for lying. I also had it "tore up" for not telling the whole truth. m

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Maybe Gary(Big G) is a "Lawyer"..........Talks but really doesn't say anything that can be definative https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif......AKA "Lawyereze"
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif
Ken

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427King to reply to you about my crediblity seeing as I have only 2 posts. I'm only on here to learn as I love the Yenko cars. I do not have any real chance of owning such a rare and valuble car. I'm big into these cars and for once, I have first hand knowledge of this car. So I only pipe up when I know what I'm talking about. The guys on this site know TONS more about the things on these rare cars like Yenko, Dana, Nickey and the likes. I like to read there posts and this is most likely the closest I'll ever get to one, other then at shows. I am building a '69 CLONE YENKO Nova at this point in time out of my '69 SS Nova. This info really helps make it look close to the OEM ones.

Also, if you check, I haven't been on as I also change computers and 'net providers last Oct. and just found my username on my old system at work.

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2 About the engine this is not the first time nor will it be the last that an actual engine has been recovered.

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I've re-read this several times and don't think he left himself any wiggle room. If he had used "It wouldn't be" then yes he would have implied but not stated that he found the original engine.

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2 About the engine this is not the first time nor will it be the last that an actual engine has been recovered.

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I've re-read this several times and don't think he left himself any wiggle room. If he had used "It wouldn't be" then yes he would have implied but not stated that he found the original engine.

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That response is something you would get from a politician after asking a direct question. I asked a simple yes or no question and his response was as above. That in itself speaks volumes.

Again I will ask - Does the car have it's original "born with" engine?

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This story reminds me of every accusation lately,whether it be pointed toward a car owner or a Lacrosse player from Duke. The "accuser"[in this case a user with 2 posts] is always taken as credible without showing any proof of his claim, while the burden of proof is placed solely on the "accused". I dont know this car at all and im not siding with anyone, but why isnt anyone asking the accuser for proof of HIS claim.

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I have in a PM.

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squirm https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif yup... ummm, umm, ummm, kinda like herpes, the deceptions keep coming back https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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Oh, and I am waiting the crafty response from the owner now that someone has emailed him pic's of the "ORIGINAL" block with the VIN # stamped on it .... Boy, this "story" keeps gettin better and better.. or is that worse and worse???

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Jim,

Are you saying that you have proof that the original block is not in the car?

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I personally do not have the photo if that is what you are asking. However, the person who has known this car for along time DOES have the original with the vin stamp ON IT and forwarded a pic the the owner https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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Si Jim...repodude...did you own the car ??? So now we have no idea who is the one with deception since an earlier post said they "heard" the block was desroyed and rod kicked out....so now you are saying someone has a pic of the original block that they have ???? Instead of posting remarks like you know it is all deception....bring something concrete to the discussion...not hearsay that we have no idea who or what you are talking about. Either prove theblock is not the original...or quit acting like you know it is a re-stamp. Easy enough to prove if you have pics like you say you do.

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Occasionally...this forum turns into a battle ground of unsubstantiated claims...and no one wins https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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So someone had the presence of mind to take a pic of the engine pad stamp well over 15 years ago , then proceeded to destroy the block https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Forgive me for being cynical, but this sounds more like a "i sold it not knowing it was an L78, now that i see it has canada paperwork and a 75K price tag im going to taint it" story to me.

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Seems like a lot of insinuation going on but nobody has anythig YET to prove their claims....which is total bullshit

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So someone had the presence of mind to take a pic of the engine pad stamp well over 15 years ago , then proceeded to destroy the block https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Or someone still has the grenaded block in his garage and just took some recent pictures. Whatever the case, it would be nice to see the pics.

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Heres a hypothetical[actually it HAS happened to a friend of mine, but the cars im referring to below are fictional]. A guy sells a car that he doesnt know was a copo as the motor is gone and there is no paperwork for 5500.00. 3rs later the new owner finds the original block after doing some owner research. Seller is pissed he was unaware it was a valuable car and want revenge since the car sold on ebay for 175K and he saw it. So he restamps a block with a 325HP designation and the vin of the car and tells everyone including the new owner that the guy he originally sold the car to is a liar . Great payback huh??? Needless to say, no one believes the guy that sold it for 175K.

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I completly agree with king show us proof that the engine he claims to have been found is not correct and do it now so you dont have time to make a restamp yourself knowledge of something dosent hold water you must have physical proof