NCIB Reports - What Exactly Is One???
 

What exactly is a NCIB report? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

I know that they can tell you who the original dealer was but to they detail ownership history? Is there any way for a non law enforcement person to get a hold of one? Is it easy for a policeman to get one? Is there no service that can be used to obtain one?

Appreciate the education!!!

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https://www.nicb.org/cps/rde/xchg/nicb/hs.xsl/index.htm

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It is for law enforcement use only, not available to the general public. They use the original assembly plant archive records for verifying if a VIN is real or not. These records were given to NICB from each plant back in the day, on an annual basis. Some plants did not forward the records so the database can be incomplete at times. They have records relating to all vehicles ever shipped by VIN back to about the year 1900. These record only give the "shipped to" dealer code.

This would be a boon to the collector hobby if it was available to the general public, even for a fee. Think of it: Gee, now I have paperwork to verify my car was originally delivered to a certain dealership in Canonsburg, PA, or Long Island, NY.

But, alas NICB does not permit the use for other purposes outside of law enforcement. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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Steve,
A friend of mine (now retired) was in charge of national auto theft recovery, based near Chicago, and had access to the basement files at the NICB. HE told me that the records were "complete" back through '63, had "most" of '62 and "little" of '61. From there on back, there wasn't much at all, if anything. Since he was able to visit the files in person, he was able to look up the VIN of my '62 and record the dealer information for me. It was too risky to leave with a copy. And that was many years ago.

Verne

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Up until about five years ago, a fellow advertised this service for a $100 fee. I used him twice and the reports were very accurate. He no longer advertises in Hemmings and I haven't been able to get hold of him.

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Probably because he got fired! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif

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OR - Arrested! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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Damn privacy laws killed everything

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Looks like they are hiring. Pay is not bad either. If I had a background in that area I would apply.

Tommy https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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There still has to be someone able to run NCIB checks out there would love to run one on 2 cars my 1970 Nickey converted 427 Nova to prove where it was sold new since the NCIB check ran 2 years ago showed it was sold in Canada and Canada has no record of the car. Also on a 1968 Yenko Camaro 396/375 car that never got converted to 427 one of 6 non converted cars that got ordered with special COPO 9737 option. Let me know if anyone still does these checks don't need owners names since I have all owners names except first one which dealers are more important.

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Barry, any info rec'd in the past from NICB will still be the same today. Be happy you have these cars, they seem to be from the top of the heep. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif
As xplant would say, we want pics! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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The problem is that in order to access the system for the old stuff, you have to provide a lot of detailed information on why you are accessing the system and provide a lot of credentialing on the user (person accessing the system itself) and NOBODY wants to give that up if something blows up (privacy law wise) down the road. I know a lot of the Police depts have been warned not to try to access it unless it is pertaining to an open case/car theft etc.

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There must be someone doing it because I see references to NICB reports for certain cars.

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This is the info you get from NICB.

Production Date
Invoice #
Invoice Date
Dealer Code

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I don't get it. The NCIB info is important to guys like us but it is extremely benign information. Why would they not be able to release this to the owner of a vehicle???

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The problem is that in order to access the system for the old stuff, you have to provide a lot of detailed information on why you are accessing the system and provide a lot of credentialing on the user (person accessing the system itself) and NOBODY wants to give that up if something blows up (privacy law wise) down the road. I know a lot of the Police depts have been warned not to try to access it unless it is pertaining to an open case/car theft etc.

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This is right on target -- accountability. You need a case number and better have a good reason for your request when obtaining one. However in some states you can now legally obtain license tag info for a fee, which was not permitted years ago. I think NICB may be sitting on a cash cow if the privacy law issue was re-legislated to some extent for this.

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I was having this conversation just the other night. It seems the consensus is post 9/11 this report has become impossible to conduct. Have members here seen this trend as well?

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But if the report is merely information on where the car was originally delived to it does not seem like sensitive information. Does the report reveal anything else about the history of the car??

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Seems like it varies...some just list original selling dealer, but others are more detailed and show delivery date/dealer/dealer code.

Seems like dad had pitched the idea to someone @ one time about it being semi-pertinent in avoiding possible insurance scams down the road [guys claims his non-Yenko he owns is a Yenko, insures it for $xxxx dollars, then burns it to the ground], but it fell on deaf ears...https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I believe that you also get the shipping weight of the car.
This has helped determine if it's a big block or small block. It's an approximate number, though.

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Not ture.

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But if the report is merely information on where the car was originally delived to it does not seem like sensitive information. Does the report reveal anything else about the history of the car??

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The fact that a VIN is on a shipping list confirms that the VIN is a real one. That in and of itself can be a critical piece of evidence. I recall a case several years ago where some guys were selling a rather fishy 1970 hemi roadrunner convertible. When the police ran the VIN through NICB, the only VIN that existed with that exact sequencial number (last 6 digits) turned out to have an N (383) instead of an R (hemi) code in the VIN. That was instant evidence of a VIN fabrication.

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It seems the consensus is post 9/11 this report has become impossible to conduct.

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Not ture.

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Care to expand... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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This was expanded upon in a recent thread. I forgot which one. You are gonna have to do some searching.

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NICB's are still available, I have had them done very recently (sorry can't help anybody out at this time)1. They do not give the weight of the car. 2.Normally, The most you are going to get is yr, make, vin, invoice #, dealer delivered to and supposed date it was delivered to that dealer. Keep in mind that the dealer stated on the NICB may NOT be the actual selling dealer as a dealer "swap or transfer" may have taken place after the information posted to the system ie: transfer while the car was being delivered from the factory. I have also recently seen NICB's that have shown nothing, no explanation for it. Bottom line is that yes you still can get them, but you need to have a law enforcement person "really put thier neck on the line" to access the system. Start with cops that work specifically in stolen car units, especially in very large, active crime locatons.