Canadian COPO on Team Camaro/Camaros.net
 

Does anyone know anything about this COPO? Is it really worth 275K ? I have been looking for a car but would appreciate any feedback from the educated members of the forum . Here is the ad from TC . I see an earlier thread in this forum about COPO prices at Mecum being down.

http://www.camaros.net/classifieds/s...?product=12350

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Hi Van,

I believe it is Vin# 124379N635036. I am not into COPO's but IMO that's a lot of cake for a fathom green on puke green car.

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the deluxe interior option is indeed rare and i believe that the canadian documentation is a good start. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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If you dont mind a console automatic with a KILLER COLOR
and #'s matching with paperwork $170K FIRM
Call me at 954-899-6325 Just came in !!!

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For those who may be interested the interior colour is Dark Green deluxe! Not puke green as indicated by an earlier posting. The car is priced accordingly, show me another four speed car with deluxe interior, console and gauges, wood wheel, power steering, spoilers, am sterio with 8 track player, chambered exhaust, etc. All fully documented by GM Of Canada and micro fiche build sheet.

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I am hearing different stories about 635036 from more than one person. One is that the car was stolen out of a resto shop and all that was left was the engine. Another story is the engine and trim tag were on Ebay awhile back. There are too many stories floating around behind the scenes to let it sit. Is this the car that was stolen and if so how did it get reunited with the engine, trim tag, body or whatever. If these are all unfounded rumors we should just put them to rest. Is this even the vin of the car listed on Camaros.net ? If it was stolen it would be great to find out all the car, drivetrain and paperwork got reunited and put any rumors to rest.

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I would rather have a Black/Blk 4 speed for that price or 100K less for a Rallye Green auto https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

And still have extra money for something else !!

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this copo camaro is indeed heavily optioned and so it is certainly a more unusual copo camaro. color is up to the individual, i personally believe that the fathom green exterior looks nice. i'm not sure that all canadian paperwork is bullet proof, although very few copo cars have microfiche documentation.

in the end it seems like a nice car and the owner is free to ask what ever he would like for his copo. jmo

alan https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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Hi Richard,

In a previous post, you stated:

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...I have the entire history on the vehicle. It is quite a story~! I am certain that most cars of this age have quite a tail to tell!
Richard.

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With such a high asking price for this car, your "quite a story" is all the more intriguing. Please enlighten us!

Re: Canadian COPO on Team Camaro/Camaros.net
 

Why would you say that you don't feel that all Canadian GM paperwork is bullet proof when you can call GM Canada and get a copy directly from the horse's mouth for $45???

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Why would you say that you don't feel that all Canadian GM paperwork is bullet proof when you can call GM Canada and get a copy directly from the horse's mouth for $45???

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One of the problems Mark is that some guys just look at the paperwork presented and wholly accept it instead of getting their own copy from GM.

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Hmmm...I'd spend the $45 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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i think you will agree that any paperwork could be changed or modified wherever it may have come from originally. that being said, calling g.m. of canada directly is a great suggestion, or start. research should include a complete history of the car ideally.

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I am hearing different stories about 635036 from more than one person. One is that the car was stolen out of a resto shop and all that was left was the engine. Another story is the engine and trim tag were on Ebay awhile back. There are too many stories floating around behind the scenes to let it sit. Is this the car that was stolen and if so how did it get reunited with the engine, trim tag, body or whatever. If these are all unfounded rumors we should just put them to rest. Is this even the vin of the car listed on Camaros.net ? If it was stolen it would be great to find out all the car, drivetrain and paperwork got reunited and put any rumors to rest.

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Good point Charley. I sure as heck would not stay silent if I heard those rumors were floating around about a car I was asking 275k for. People would think I was hiding something by not putting the rumors to bed.

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I too remember some of those same stories Charley ... it would be nice to put them to bed for good ... or ...

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It seems as though there are several individuals who feel the need to know how I came about my 1969 Copo Camaro. Unfortunately it is not the juicy story most have hoped for. It all began when I was contacted by email about some parts a fellow had for sale. This man indicated that he had a car which when it was all together was rumoured to be a copo. I did not waste any time and contacted him immediately! I asked the usual questions such as what makes you think your car may have been a Copo? He told me that someone had looked at his car being interested in the rear end but found it was a BE code which was not correct for a 1968 SS he was building. I knew this was a pretty good indication of what he may have. I called my best friend and told him of what was happening and that we had to go and see the car NOW! It was four hours from the time I spoke to the gentleman and when I arrived at his home. He had been digging the car out from under household garbage since we had spoken and it still took an hour to get close enough to see anything. All the signs were there. Big block heater core, engine mounts, close ratio transmission and of course the BE rear end. We settled on a price and I pulled the car out and brought it home. It was not until I ran the V.I.N. that I knew what I had purchased. I contacted The York Regional Police, The Metro Police and The Ontario Provincial Police to have sworn avadavits indicating that I was in legal possession of the car. I now had the job of hunting down the engine, trim tag and ownership!!! This was not so easy as the fellow who had them did not want to give them up. It was only after I agreed to pay a substantial fee in the form of cash that I was able to bring the two parts back together. I have since fully restored the car to its original condition.
End of story!

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I would rather have a Black/Blk 4 speed for that price or 100K less for a Rallye Green auto https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

And still have extra money for something else !!

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Patrick

Re: Canadian COPO on Team Camaro/Camaros.net
 

Wow, it sounds like the 4 ZL1's that were just found too!!! Its amazing the luck those Canadians have !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Wow, it sounds like the 4 ZL1's that were just found too!!! Its amazing the luck those Canadians have !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Too bad all us Canadians aren't so lucky! .

And wasn't it 5 ZL1's that were 'found'? .
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~ Pete

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Actually, depending on what Province you live in it is really quite easy to get "lucky" in Canada https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif For example, if I find a motor up here in Ontario that has a VIN number on it or I have a GM shipper that lists VIN numbers, I can simply go to a DMV kiosk, pay $20 and run the VIN through the DMV. If the car is still registered in Ontario I get the current owners name and city and a list of all previous owners names and the city where they lived at the time of ownership. Then a few simple Google searches and you quite often have a complete history of the car. Guys up here have been doing that for 20 years...why do you think so many rare Canadian cars have been located???

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Thank you for the clarification. I'm not clear on why you ran the vin or if when you ran the vin it came up stolen ? Was it stolen from this guy and then recovered ?

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Is this the Richard English from Camaro Heaven?

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Yep

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Hey....he gave an explaination...if someone is interested in the car they can dive deeper into it if they feel its necessary..WTF ?

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you hit the nail on the head there Belair62.Wonder if anyone will brave the cold up here or the husky ride into base camp to have a look at this rare c.o.p.o. Or just keep trying to find something wrong with Canadian cars.
Here's too all of us lucky Canadians<font color="orange"> </font> https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Please.

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I would just like to take a moment and comment on my luck! I have been chasing cars for over twenty years. I have travelled hundreds if not thousands of miles to look at cars which were supposedly rare or in mint condition. I have spent hundreds of dollars on telephone calls searching for that needle in a haystack. If you all must know it was my sister whom I have recently become reunited with after 38 years apart, who gave this gentleman my e-mail address. And you have the audacity to make rude comments about the luck of "The Canadians"! At least this is a bona fide genuine Copo Camaro, not something fabricated because it was found with a large sway bar or big block heater core. And to answer Charlie's question; if you lived in Canada and had the resources we have to document cars would you not spend the $45.00 to see whether or not you hit a home run? I certainly did and fortunately for once it paid off. Thank you for the support Bob, Mark, Steve, Randy and anyone else who has supported me throughout this ordeal, and you know who you are. I would hope know that everyone would stop the BS and spend a little more time being concerned about our family members and friends fighting for the very freedom we have here on this site and throughout our lives each and every day!!!

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I guess I asked my question wrong. I was just wondering why you contacted 3 police departments. I don't usually contact the police when I buy a car.

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With all due respect Richard I wasn't actually defending anything , just trying to maintain a little decorum...thats why I am so highly paid. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Richard .. that is an incredible story. Did you take any photos of the car as it sat, it sounds like one of the "barn finds" we all dream of falling into ...a photo album from start to finish on that car would be awesome to see! Are the owners of the engine and the chassis available ? Did you ever find out how the engine and tags got seperated from the car ? That in itself would be an interesting story as well... I am sure you had to have asked the previous history of the car.

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It seems as though there are several individuals who feel the need to know how I came about my 1969 Copo Camaro. Unfortunately it is not the juicy story most have hoped for. It all began when I was contacted by email about some parts a fellow had for sale. This man indicated that he had a car which when it was all together was rumoured to be a copo. I did not waste any time and contacted him immediately! I asked the usual questions such as what makes you think your car may have been a Copo? He told me that someone had looked at his car being interested in the rear end but found it was a BE code which was not correct for a 1968 SS he was building. I knew this was a pretty good indication of what he may have. I called my best friend and told him of what was happening and that we had to go and see the car NOW! It was four hours from the time I spoke to the gentleman and when I arrived at his home. He had been digging the car out from under household garbage since we had spoken and it still took an hour to get close enough to see anything. All the signs were there. Big block heater core, engine mounts, close ratio transmission and of course the BE rear end. We settled on a price and I pulled the car out and brought it home. It was not until I ran the V.I.N. that I knew what I had purchased. I contacted The York Regional Police, The Metro Police and The Ontario Provincial Police to have sworn avadavits indicating that I was in legal possession of the car. I now had the job of hunting down the engine, trim tag and ownership!!! This was not so easy as the fellow who had them did not want to give them up. It was only after I agreed to pay a substantial fee in the form of cash that I was able to bring the two parts back together. I have since fully restored the car to its original condition.
End of story!

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Thank you very much for your explanation Richard as it is important to clarify any issues or rumors on a car so that when you do sell it, there will be no mis-understanding between yourself and the buyer. Having said that, I am suprised by your words:

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...He told me that someone had looked at his car being interested in the rear end but found it was a BE code which was not correct for a 1968 SS he was building.

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Then one sentence later you state:

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....It was four hours from the time I spoke to the gentleman and when I arrived at his home. He had been digging the car out from under household garbage since we had spoken and it still took an hour to get close enough to see anything.

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So how was it that the guy with the 68 SS was able to see the car and then when you went, the car had 5 hours worth of garbage on it?

2. If someone who was restoring a 68 SS Camaro went to look at a rear end, he would have asked the seller how much he wanted for it before even going to look at it. Any guy with a 68 SS is not going to go look at any rear-end priced more than $1,500. Upon arriving and seeing it as a BE rear, what fool would have passed it up for the price of a 68 12 bolt? Surely he would have taken it anyways.

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...We settled on a price and I pulled the car out and brought it home. It was not until I ran the V.I.N. that I knew what I had purchased.

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So at that point, you knew you had bought a stolen vehicle? That did not bother you? Instead of running from the car or reporting the person you bought the car from to the police as most would do, you decided to obtain ownership of the vehicle?

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...I now had the job of hunting down the engine, trim tag and ownership!!! This was not so easy as the fellow who had them did not want to give them up.

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Really??!! Is it not true that the "fellow" who had those items was actually the "fellow" who the car was stolen from?

Allow me to clarify:

http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data...ium/635036.jpg

This is the auction which your car's engine and trim tag was for sale. The person selling it is Paul Kelly, who is the individual who the car was stolen from. If your last statement is true, then why was he so willing to sell the engine, ownership and trim tag on Ebay?

5. And finally, you indicated that you found the body first before looking for the "engine, trim tag and ownership". If this is true, then how come when you approached the original owner telling him you had his car which was stolen from him, didn't the original owner take steps to get his car back. I could see him selling the package if he knew his car did not exist - but this would contradict your story.

It is a fantastic story when you really think about it - you found a stolen car that has been missing for 10 years and it just happens to have everything still on it except what was on the Ebay auction. Best part is you get to keep stolen property!

P.S. - Feel free to answer Charley's question as well.

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif Imagine that.

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Patrick

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Wow https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif...

That'll raise more questions about an already interesting story.

Blair

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Hylton, this is story most of us have heard - good job laying it out, so can someone pass me the popcorn while we wait for the response? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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where's the dancing banana?...

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Let me tell you all something. I have had numerous dealings with Richard over the past years. Every one of them has been absolutely one hundred percent above board, professional and with the highest integrity. Furthermore, I know Richard, his wife and his associates to be truly nice, generous and extremely knowledable people that a lot of us should try to learn from.
Check your ego's ( envy ) and let the man sell his car.

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My ego is cool. He can sell his car, we ain't stoppping that. This has nothing to do with egos, that's crazy BS. The guys on this site are awesome at getting to the bottom of things, some good, some bad. We will see what response is made and clarification, etc.

Its like an employee that gets fired, the employer didn't fire them, the employee fired themself.

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Interesting???