I need help to authenticate a LS6 Convertible
 

Friend of mine just bought this car, it (to me) was very reasonably priced ($150k) - the car has a buildsheet and P.O.P, and an original title. We are trying to track down the owners through some friends at the DMV - do any of you know of someone local here in New England that can help me authenticate this car? I can get to about an 80% comfort level based on what I know - I need someone to take me the rest of the way...

Thanks - email me directly at [email protected] or call me at 617.513.7407...

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It has been determined to have a fabricated build sheet. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif
Rick

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Wasn't there one like this on Ebay a few weeks ago with aged fake paperwork ?

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Same car. The build sheet was actually scary as it looked so real (I have a copy). However, many of the codes were incorrect and lots of errors through out the sheet. The fonts were unfortunately very correct so these people are getting better. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif I am pretty sure the seller/restorer is a reader here.

Cortez LS-6 convert
Rick

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OUCH!

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Uh ho...........

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Yikes! .
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~ Pete

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Passionately discussed here
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134511

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(Post no sheets!)

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Oh s**t! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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The fact that it was too reasonably priced would be another warning sign.

I see there is another similar high dollar vintage car reappearing on ebay again this week. It now has a POP (which it didn't in earlier ads) along with the previously determined fake buildsheet. This time the seller is not showing either in the pictures as before but instead just stating he has them.

Proceed with caution.

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This is the first site I'm going to when it comes time to buy a Chevy. Some of you guys really know your stuff! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

Scary what's going on out there with some of these crooks. You can't rely on documentation alone anymore. I would want owner history "before" pulling the trigger on any high $$ car! And believe me. I would be calling them!

I have a pit in my stomache for the buyer of this car!!!!

Patrick

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I would want owner history "before" pulling the trigger on any high $$ car! Patrick

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Ding, Ding,Ding (Bell Sound) Owner history has always been an important component to a collector car purchase.

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Bet the guy bought his docs from the Sleezeball on Ebay who sells "aged docs". No reason to make aged docs other than to defraud people. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif IMHO
I wish ebay would cut this crap out... they are putting VINS on paperwork to legitimize vehicles, it's gotta be a crime.

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That and checking web sites like this and Team Chevelle as well as the registry, and/or having someone authenticate the car prior to purchase. The bright side is if in fact the car was a real SS and with a 454, he won't have to wait long to get what he paid for the car.
Rick

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Being that the hobby is what it is these days, when someone finds a lost car for a good price (or what they think is such) they jump on it thinking they better buy it now before someone else gets it or the guy brains up without doing their due dilligence. These days chances are that you have a fake as 99% of the ones left have been found. I was watching an old episode of rides last night, it was the one where Jay Leno finds the barn find Duzzy. He mentioned about being at pebble beach, saying that with late 60"s mopars going for $200-$300 thousand these days anybody could fake one where as these cars at pebble are scrutinized by the experts in their field, so you know when you come here you'll find out quick if it's authentic.

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Interestingly enough at least 4 unknown LS-6 converts have surfaced in the last 2 years and I believe all have been proven or are on their way to be proven real. I completely wrote off one of them as something other than an LS-6 and now the owner has obtained affidavits going back to the early 70's from previous owners so one never knows. Another was still parked in the original owners garage on a main road!

I used to think there would be no more new cars found but because the prices are escalating so quickly, I think people are looking in every barn and open garage door where they used to not pay too much attention. I know I do and more cars are being found because of this. Just look at all the drag cars that have surfaced lately. I just looked at a collection of around 20 cars and a barn full of parts a couple of weeks ago on a farm that no one seemed to know about and it was only 4 miles from the airport. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
Rick

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True...I think you are right,people are looking alot harder than ever...in the hopes of striking it big time.

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That and the baby boomers are begining to move from their homes that they have lived in for along time and either selling off stuff or giving it to relatives who could care less.
I think that in the next 10 - 20 years we will see alot of low mileage original cars that are going to come from garages, barns, and basements of people who are retiring and moving from their long time homes.

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Dave,

nice looking car with questionable-at-best pedigree. It looks like your friends might have paid relatively high $$ for an SS convertible; it's almost certainly not an LS6.

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He didnt get burned to bad at that price. It could have been worse. He's got a cool ride that would have cost around that to build a good clone.Hope its a 4 speed and I HOPE he wasnt buying it to FLIP !!!


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Thanks Guys!! I will send your VERY APPRECIATED information on to my friend... as always I appreciate your integrity - this hobby should be as fun as these cars were meant to be!!

Thanks
Dave Castine

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Several Nice 'advertised as clones' have sold in that price range.

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Dave,
Glad to hear you took the comments as only concerns and not slamming or belittling. I think I know who the buyer is and if I am correct he should be ok. Stefano is correct, there have been clones that have sold in that range. I am just finishing an original SS396 convert that was restored as a driver not a show car and feel the car would go for over $100k based on what I have seen them sell for this past year. I remember not too long ago I friend of mine (and sYc reader) paid around $45 for a clone LS-6 convertible and I told him (begged him) not to pay that much. I am now the one that feels stupid. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

At any rate, outwordly it looks like a decent car though the seller should have been more honest. Some of these people are going to get burned badly if they sell to the wrong person. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

I wish more people would rely on these web sites and registries before buying these cars. There are many people that can authenticate the LS-6's for people and many are members here. Take advantage of them. The cost pales in comparison to the savings if the car is fake. jmo
Rick

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The price reflects what a "built" LS6 conv would cost so it's not a bad buy. But, if the seller represented the car as an original, number's matching, documented LS6 conv then there could be some legal recourse. The Ebay auction looked to be fraudulent. Still a nice car though.

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But, if the seller represented the car as an original, number's matching, documented LS6 conv then there could be some legal recourse.

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Boy I hope so! If I was the buyer, I wouldn't want to hear " We'll, don't worry, other clones have sold in that price range. So you won't get hurt to much on this car".

No way I could swallow that one. Patrick

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The price reflects what a "built" LS6 conv would cost so it's not a bad buy. .

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so if i found a 307 malibu ragtop,threw a LS-6 drivetrain in it,and bought some SS emblems,i should expect 150K?

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The price reflects what a "built" LS6 conv would cost so it's not a bad buy. .

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so if i found a 307 malibu ragtop,threw a LS-6 drivetrain in it,and bought some SS emblems,i should expect 150K?

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at least!

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The price reflects what a "built" LS6 conv would cost so it's not a bad buy. .

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so if i found a 307 malibu ragtop,threw a LS-6 drivetrain in it,and bought some SS emblems,i should expect 150K?

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at least!

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That's pretty funny!

Patrick

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I would still like to have an https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif LS6 expert come to see the car if there is a local authority close to Boston... The owner would gladly pay that person - Thanks again, Dave
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Email me at [email protected] or call 617.513.7407

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Wow, you guys are really getting soft. Now its ok to sell a malibu as a documented Ls6 as long as the final bid doesnt reach real car money? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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I would still like to have an https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif LS6 expert come to see the car if there is a local authority close to Boston...

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Chris White is as close as you can get (Upton, MA) but what would be the point if the car is a clone? You don't need an LS-6 expert to tell your friend he has a very nice car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
Rick

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Wow, you guys are really getting soft. Now its ok to sell a malibu as a documented Ls6 as long as the final bid doesnt reach real car money? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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Only if there's phony documents included! .



Seriously though, although the documentation isn't real what is the status of the car itself? . If it happened to be genuine LS6 car this whole episode sure shows how adding phony docs can turn a real car into supposed fake! .

Hopefully for the sake of Dave's friend something can be uncovered that proves the car real....and the phony documentation filed in the trash where it belongs. .

~ Pete

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I am sure you already know Chris White, you been into Chevelles for quite a while. If you really want to know give him a call.

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CHRIS WHITE IS PROBABLY THE GUY WHO BUILT IT. I THINK THIS GUY DAVE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Where's my popcorn.....

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CHRIS WHITE IS PROBABLY THE GUY WHO BUILT IT.

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It was a restoration shop not Chris White.

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Where's my popcorn.....

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"so if i found a 307 malibu ragtop,threw a LS-6 drivetrain in it,and bought some SS emblems,i should expect 150K?"..................I think you can expect 15 to 20...........YEARS https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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Playhouse 90 at best.Like already stated I hope people that read this can make the distinction between the clear intent of outright fraud and the rationale that it's still a nice car.

Ain't no babes in these woods

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Is there a market for 150K Clones? I wouldn't think so. It's a great looking car, but I can't believe he got a good deal. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif