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Found this on ebay. I spoke with seller. X44 car. Ex race car. He informed me of cowl induction piercing in firewall. Has speedometer cable piercing in firewall for muncie trans. Has big block springs and heater box. Im 98% sure this is a COPO. What caught my attention was the info on trim tag. Anyone looking for a COPO should check this one out. :burnout http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...wItem&rd=1,1&item=4637491226&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA% 3AIT

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It says "listing removed" when I go to the link.

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Here it is.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...item=4637491226

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No power disc brakes in the front though....

Tommy M.

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10 body #'s away from my white car. Likely sold in Michigan. I'd bet on it being a COPO car. Lots and lots of work!
Peter

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No power disc brakes in the front though....

Tommy M.

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Most race cars dont have power brakes due to lack of vacum so they would install drums to stop... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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No power disc brakes in the front though....

Tommy M.

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Not so sure about that, looks like a power disc brake #309 master cylinder to me, only the booster is missing. Its definitely not a drum brake master cylinder.

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Joe, talked to seller this morning about disc brakes. He stated that there were drum brakes on car. I told him to check upper control arms(upper a-frames) to see if there was a hole pierced and threaded for disc brake line retaining bracket(drum brakes do not have this)and he mentioned that he had problems with the brake lines in the past because of drum brakes. He did not tell me what the problem was.I also noticed the wider master cylider but forgot to have him get the # from it for me.

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This guy thinks he might have a possible COPO because someone looked at 13 hazy pictures and made an "educated" guess that it's a COPO????

Must be the reason his NO RESERVE auction now has a statement with a $20,000 dollar ending price.

"My Brother said due to numerous phone bids he will accept twenty thousand to end auction". I bet he would, I know I would if it was mine and someone offered me $20k. Can you say SOLD!?

Could be a BB car, could be a COPO, heck it could be the rare and ellusive X44 Z/28. Why not, it has a Z/28 emblem on the tailpanel.

All BS aside, I truely hope someone looks at this car in person before they buy to make absolutely sure what they are getting. Ebay is a haven for junk, fakes and wannabees.

Rick H.

p.s. got feeling we'll be seeing an auction ending early because item is not longer for sale.

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Rick H, im the someone that looked at the picture and had a phone conversation with the seller. Yes, this car needs to be inspected well before any $$ has passed hands. From my conversation and info obtained, i realized it had some key items that make it a POSSIBLE COPO. BE rear is gone, daul exhaust plate is gone, It has the cowl induction piercing in correct location along with muncie trans speedocable piercing in firewall, and info found on trim tag that is consistant with most other COPOs built that time frame. Any info i have posted on this site is base on my opinion(from research and data).All i am saying is, if someone is looking for a COPO on a lower $$ scale, They should look at this car and inspect it well.It has some of the key items found on COPOs. IMO.

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How does a dual exhaust plate that is welded to the frame disappear?


Jason

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The Tubbing maybe? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Ooops, that makes since.


Jason

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Say what you will, but based on what I see and what Leo has come up with, there's enough evidence to warrant a closer look. If the cowl induction piercings are original, and the tags haven't been messed with, an X44 with original cowl induction can be a real good clue, as the only way an X44 could have had factory C.I. is if it was a COPO. Add to that the big block heater core, the 309 master cylinder, the fact its 10 numbers away from a known COPO, and you have quite a few things that point in the right direction. Yeah, it would be great if there was a stack of original paperwork, and "documentation" but usually thats not gonna be there on a ratty old car, so you gotta look for all the right clues that are still there. If anyone's near Eastlake Ohio and has some $ to play with, this is definitely worth a closer look and could very well be the real deal. If everything looks right, it could be another real COPO car found for a price that is within reach for someone. JMO.

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I would have to agree with Joe on this call. Most of the COPO camaros were bought with the intension of racing... Some cars were lucky and not cut on, but some cars were successful in racing and updated so they could go faster... This car has some interesting points and knowing it was built 10 cars away from a documented COPO raises an eye... I just hope this doesn't get as bad as it did with that Yenko car a year ago or so... Good luck to whoever ends up with that ratty "POS".. I just love how they mounted the guages in the car!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gifhttp://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/07/07/fa/1a_12.JPG

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gifhmmmmmmm https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Four body #'s off the other Funston Chev sold COPO. Not saying it is either, but like Joe says. Worth taking a look! If you can get it cheap, it could get interesting!
Peter

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Getting it cheap now is probably out of the question! Once you make it public to the 5 billion people on this board the chance of getting a deal is lost. It's sad because you probably could of had the car for $5K if you didn't go public with the info and let the owner know what he "potentially" has.

I guess we didn't learn anything from the Yenko fiasco in upstate NY... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif Thanks for thinking of the little guys.

Mike

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I guess we didn't learn anything from the Yenko fiasco in upstate NY... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif Thanks for thinking of the little guys.

Mike

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Ah come on Mike you don't have $20k laying around for the purchase and another $100k plus for the restoration? Doesn't everybody have that kind of money to blow on a pile of iron oxide? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

You can think of this in two ways. One, somebody might, repeat MIGHT get a great deal on a possible COPO or two, someone will get a good screwing, excuse me a good lesson on how not to buy a car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

A $200k car for $20k or a $1000 car for $20k. Crap shoot on this one. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

One question I have, has anybody seen a picture of the cowl induction piercing? Reason I ask is because I wonder were he ran the plumbing for those monster gauges? Obviously not through the factory auto speedo hole because it still has a plug in it. Would like to see the hole they went through and the cowl induction piercing.

Rick H.

p.s. Still think it will not sell. To much interest.

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gifhmmmmmmm https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Four body #'s off the other Funston Chev sold COPO. Not saying it is either, but like Joe says. Worth taking a look! If you can get it cheap, it could get interesting!
Peter

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Pardon me for not being greedy. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I thought i was thing of EVERYONE on this one. Some of you on this board complain that you do not get a chance at rare cars like this because some of us on this board keep that info to ourselves. Now someone like me gives everone a chance to get a possible COPO and someone like you complains? Its a no win situation. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif And yes, i thought the seller had a right to know that his car may be a possible COPO. There are alot of us on this board that are here to help people out. Answer questions pertaing to Supercars. Thats what this hobby should be about. Not personal gain $$. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Leo,

Sorry to have put a negative turn on your otherwise good natured and well intended post. Pretty naive of me to hope that no one else noticed the big block heater cover, X44, master cylinder, and other stuff that points this car to being a possible COPO. For me its not about greed, its about being able to justify the purchase. Obviously, risking $5K is alot easier than risking $20+K, especially for a car like this that needs a ton of work.

Sorry if I offended you! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Mike

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Leo,
Don't sweat it. Thanks for the info sharing.
Rich

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I think the point was that broadcasting this and letting the cat-out-of-the-bag may put the car out of reach of the ordinary Joe that would like to have it. A guy that would do his own work, etc...

This will probably go to a "more money than sense" guy regardless of your post anyway; someone that can gamble on what he is or isn't getting, and pay more than it's worth in order to take the car from others that may have limited funding.

Don't get me wrong-- I'm not complaining. That's life, that's business, that's the way it goes.

Being originally from Ohio, rare cars could be had in dilapidated condidion all over the place-- Not all that uncommon. I've posted about the cars I passed up and/or personally witnessed being destroyed before. Because of the internet, the days of barn finds or diamonds in the rough are over. I've said it before, and I'll say it again-- Clones, clones... Who can blame people?

And maybe the Honda fart-pipe kids are all-right after all-- They just want what they can't afford, and do hot-rodding with what they have to work with. I guarantee if Civic hatchbacks were more expensive that complete POS, terd-with-corns-in-it basket case F-bodies, they'd be figuring out how to weld and get parts for the '69.

Just my $.02...

Peace out.

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shes taking off. 15K

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One question I have, has anybody seen a picture of the cowl induction piercing? Reason I ask is because I wonder were he ran the plumbing for those monster gauges? Obviously not through the factory auto speedo hole because it still has a plug in it. Would like to see the hole they went through and the cowl induction piercing.

Rick H.

p.s. Still think it will not sell. To much interest.

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And were done. Auction ended early.

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And were done. Auction ended early.

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Some things are just so predictable.

Rick H.

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i saw this car and also the be rear i spend hours trying to find deals im sick of people telling this board about all the rare items on ebay so the rich can buy them up any feedback thanks jeff

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Ebay gets scanned daily by lots of people.
This site has nothing to do with any auction ending early, IMHO.

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andy what i meant was that alot of people who dont have time to find items get leads from people on this board it hurts people like me who spend hours finding rare parts https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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The car was purchased by a member of another board.

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is the verdict in? COPO on Non-COPO???

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You have to make a quick move on something like that but is it really worth the risk if it turned out to be a good fake? It's the small guy that will get burned the most if he makes a hasty decision. A car like that one is probaly best left to someone who has the financial resources to bring it back to it's original condition. Even then, without paperwork or original drivetrain it will always be a non matching car with unknown history. I wouldn't sweat it .

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I just find that the irony within the hobby eating itself is just too much. I mean honestly, even for someone with too much money, that car was a major headache and a laughable expenditure if it went for $20k. I've seen better candidates for restoration and re-assembly at the grocery store containing soup and cola. It will be re-bodied, and that's that, so why pay $20k for it in the first place?

Jeff H - That statement about not numbers matching... You couldn't be more wrong. It will be numbers-matching when done, and probably sold to someone as a gennie. Ahhh, Chevy muscle... A hustler's paradise. And so rewarding. If you're at all concerned about matters such as this, you should be buying AMC's. Still cheap, and great performers. Everything you need to know is in the VIN, and they don't have serial #'s on the motors!

BTW-- Don't worry about the rust. The best part of Ohio is that they still have titles, so how much easier could it be?

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Why restore it back to stock ? Restore it as a tubbed COPO. Put a 572" engine in it and make it look like a 427. Put the big meats on the back. Would be a fun drag car.

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Why restore it back to stock ? Restore it as a tubbed COPO. Put a 572" engine in it and make it look like a 427. Put the big meats on the back. Would be a fun drag car.

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That's what I was thinking too. Day2 COPO race car. But that body definitely needs some rust repair. As for the car being resold as a number's matching COPO, it's now in my database with notes so I'll know it's history when it comes back around.

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I'm not saying the buyer's planning this and nothing personal against him....but if it is confirmed as a real Copo car maybe it could become 2 cars? . One original Copo car modified-tubbed drag car....missing tags of course but with a sworn letter confirming it was originally a Copo car. . The second car a rebody using the identity and tags....it seems like there's a big market of guys who could care less about rebodys and are happy w/ 'matching numbers' even though it's all restamps etc? .

~ Pete

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A lot of fast triggers as to what happens to the car. I agree with Charley restore it Tubbed and a built engine and go have fun with it.