1969 L-89 Convertible 4 Speed For Sale
 

Here is the chance to own one of the rarest Camaros built!

I figured I would give everyone on the Forum some advance notice that I have decided to sell my 1969 L-89 Convertible. I will be putting it on eBay within the next week. This car was the topic of discussion on the forum about 2 years ago.

The car has undergone a full (14 month) restoration by PRC in Bridgewater, NJ. Every nut and bolt has been touched and redone. Window Regulator, Emergency Brake and Windshield Wiper Mechanisms take apart and replated then put back together. The links below show some of the restoration and the car finished.

http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeFOXLdw5ZssU

http://share.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=EeFOXLdw5Zss2

Attached is a spec sheet as well.

I have documented owner history back to 1980.

I can be reached at [email protected] or by phone at 201-995-1383 if you have any questions.

Thanks!

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If you list it here,you have to price it here. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show...0/page/0#52927

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Sorry about that I thought I put it in.

$250,000

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I just listed my L-89 Camaro Convertible on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4529808924

SO LET THE DISCUSSION BEGIN!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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My Dads friend says you bought this out of Glendale AZ,from a Fred Koenig,,,

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Nice pictures, how do you know this car is one of eleven L89 cars? Do you have any documentation (protectoplate, build sheet, bill of sale, etc.) to show it is an authentic L89? What dealership originally sold the car?

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There is no way to prove this car was one of 11 built unless you have paperwork on all 311 built. After looking at the vin stamping on the block, it doesn't match the original Norwood vin characters in our data base. If I were going to spend that kind of money on a very rare car, I would not buy it unless the car had one of the following, car shipper, window sticker, dealer invoice or dealer order sheet. Paperwork in paramount for a car like this!

Jerry @CHP

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Jerry welcome aboard. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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Jerry,

I would be curios to know what database do you have?

The last time this car was a topic of discussion on this sight did you put in your opinion?

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What kind of paperwork do you have on the car? Do you have any of the above mentioned items or any other proof it is a real-deal an L89?

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this guy seem to be avoiding that documentation question very well

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I was just curious as to the original selling dealer more than anything actually... I've been having pretty bad luck with answers to those kinds of questions lately...maybe everyone else on the board will get pics of the docs e mailed to them except for me since i asked too many times. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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What it is or isn't; documentation or not; priced too high or not; that's between the seller and any possible purchaser. That's all irrelevant to me since I'm not in the market for a car in this price range.

I would just like to say the car IS GORGEOUS in Fathom Green and White which has always been one of my favorite color combos for 69. Unfortunately I couldn't wait for my dial-up to load all the pictures. About the only thing I might have done is to put the correct "era 69" tires on. Good luck with the sale.

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No doubt its a nice car, I don't think anyone is arguing that at all...nor the price, etc... just wondered why no documents have been shown or mentioned, as that would seem to be the only way to verify the car as being legitimate L89. I agree with the tires, as well as a few other small details... overall a nice looking car....Paint those silver headlight buckets black. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Jerry,
I agree with the characters in the vin stamp on the block. I have never seen the "1" in the vin # have the feet on the bottom. Also what is your opinion on the essembly date on the block so far from the build date of the car. That is about 10 weeks apart. I hope people do their homework on LARGE purchases like this car. The "MOF"

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Hey Sherlock your never gonna get anywhere asking all these questions. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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I am sure that nobody has documentation on all 311 L-89s as Jerry suggests is needed.

I have owner history back to 1980 as mentioned in the auction. I personally have seen enough bogus documents for cars that I at least want to talk to previous owners to verify the car and the documents.

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$250,000 for a car with no documentation? DUH! Send me in coach!

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I am sure that nobody has documentation on all 311 L-89s as Jerry suggests is needed.



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I agree, you don't need documents for 311 cars, just this one.

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Broaching on Engine Stamp Pad appears correct and distinct. Are there still machines out there today to produce this type of machining marks?

SAm

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We have a data base of original stampings and tracings that I've been collecting for over 20 years. These include cars that were judged at the Camaro Nationals, cars we've inspected for clients, cars in our local area that we have known since new and original cars that we've worked on.

This is the first posting that I've written about this car.

Jerry @CHP

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The reason I mentioned needing the documentation for all 311 L89's built in 1969 was to prove the point that only 11 convertibles were built. I suspect that convertible numbers would be small and any that were built were probably built for NHRA racing in Stock or Super Stock classes. Convertibles were heavier and made a different weight break, and in some classes, that was an advantage. In 1968, a legal NHRA SS396 Super Stock Camaro convertible would run the same class as a Z28.

Jerry @CHP

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wondered why no documents have been shown or mentioned

[/ QUOTE ] Probably because there are not any, but I think most people figured that out. Let's face it, anyone selling an ultra rare car with a 1/4 million dollar asking price would be listing everything possible about the car, especially on a site like this with so many potential, but very knowledgeable buyers. Because of all the fakes out there, unfortunately, matching numbers aren't a big determinate on the validity of a car's pedigree anymore. Many of the corvette guys certainly have broaching and restamping down to a science.

A very nice looking car, but likely a tough sell in this crowd.

Jerry, nice to see you on the site. Your knowledge is certainly welcome. BTW, nice job on my booster I recently received. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Many Corvette folks search for a virgin block, one that was sold over the counter with no stamping. These are perfect blocks to stamp although their availability is limited.
I've seen that the less of a certain engine installed in a car, the longer is the acceptable spread between the assembaly date and installation date. A friend is looking at a L89 automatic in a '69 Corvette, very few made. The spread is longer than typical as these were not used as quickly as a 427/390 horse motor. They tend to sit and wait in inventory.

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-------Tim is correct on the rarity versus build-date aspect.
-------Something to remember with broach-marks is that the broaching machines used had a time line with respect to wear. In other words, not all original broach-marks look the same. The scratches grow more distinct as the broachers wear out. Dont judge one set of broach-marks against another as they both could be original. Just make sure those lines are straight!...........Bill S

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He may have just threw a dart for the price since they have to be priced here...If someone is interested and needs more info you should probably get together with the owner.

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Joining the party late as usual https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif Very nice car! Rich does outstanding work. 1 question though. Are the seat belts original to the car? I cannot see the front ones, but the rears are the deluxe 68 style, not the 69 style. Since this is a very early car and there were a bunch of carry over 68 parts (spoiler, walnut wheel to name a couple), maybe the seat belts carried over too. But this is the first that I have seen.

Thanks

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If you look closer you'll see thats not a 69 walnut wheel, its a rosewood.

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Joe, I was speaking in general terms, but now that you mention it, this early of a car should have a short spoiler and (possibly)a walnut wheel, not what is on the car.

I have a factory spoiler car from Oct 68 (10B) and it has the short spoiler and this car was built a few weeks earlier.

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Kevin, agreed... the rosewood didnt even come out until december 68. This car should have a shallow walnut wheel.

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There is no way to prove this car was one of 11 built unless you have paperwork on all 311 built. After looking at the vin stamping on the block, it doesn't match the original Norwood vin characters in our data base. If I were going to spend that kind of money on a very rare car, I would not buy it unless the car had one of the following, car shipper, window sticker, dealer invoice or dealer order sheet. Paperwork in paramount for a car like this!

Jerry @CHP

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I know nothing about this car or it's originality, but I have to point out that you have pictures of this very same "1" in your 69 Z28-SS396 fact book Jerry. It definitely looks odd compared to most stampings but I don't think it can rule out originality.

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Something to remember with broach-marks is that the broaching machines used had a time line with respect to wear. In other words, not all original broach-marks look the same. The scratches grow more distinct as the broachers wear out. Dont judge one set of broach-marks against another as they both could be original. Just make sure those lines are straight!...........Bill S

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Very good observation. This is akin to forensic comparisons of bullets to a particular barrel of a particular weapon. The reason that you can match a single bullet to a single gun is that the machining process of making one barrel after another, degrades the mandrel or the cutting instrument used to make the barrel. So barrel #1 will have a different microscopic machine mark pattern than barrel #2 and so on. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif The same can be said for the machines that were used to cut the flat surfaces on engine blocks. So if someone (like Jerry) has been identifying and recording particular patterns over a sequence of time from a specific engine plant, they can then render an expert opinion as to the originality of an ID pad surface.

Jerry, have you ever been called as an expert witness?

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Yes, many times starting back to about 1994 or so.

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Hey Jerry, Lets go DRAG RACING! P.S. The voltage regulator looks great as I knew it would. Thanks, Sam https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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I can't find out where Jerry said anything about the "1" charactor. Am I mistaken?

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I'm sorry, it was Mr Yenko that mentioned the feet on the "1"s, not Jerry. I did notice that Jerry's book does have another 69 partial VIN with those "1"s so that character wouldn't rule it a restamp. I'm not an expert on stampings but I can't see any characters that don't match some of the samples in his book.

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I think someone else said it. we need more info on that..

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L78 pad stamps, after 20+ years stored under a house.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...536-005593.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...496-005592.jpg

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Question If this camaro is so rare and valuable and sought after by collectors why would you put it for sale on a place like e-bay? It seems there are no docs to prove it is what he says it is so I think maybe you would say its a "clone". no ticky no laundry.

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There are MANY rare cars that have been for sale and have sold on or through ebay. I have bought 4 of them through an initial auction on ebay including a '69 L78 Camaro Convert., and 3 Baldwin Motion cars (67, 69 and 71).

It seems harsh to call this car a clone given what you know at this point. Another board member stated that the shop doing the resto thought that the car appeared to be at least a legit L-78 car. If it was me it would be money well spent to hire a PI to find the history on this car. Big difference in value if it can be proven.