'69 Nova trim tag question
 

"BigDog" called me yesterday with a trim tag question, and I figured this was the best place to ask:

On the 3rd line of the trim tag is "M2"...does this have any significance? The car in question is supposed to be a L-78...

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What color and type of interior does the car have?

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The code is 745, I believe that is green standard interior. It also has a bench seat, and it is a 4 speed, but I have no idea what the M2 means.
Thanks Terry

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I think those codes apply to the interior color and seating. The letter A is on the tag of several of my cars with black bench seats. I'll take a closer look and get back to you with some ideas. Tom

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I think Tom is right, on my 68 the letter "B" all by itself represents the seatbelt color which is blue and this is shown in some of the books from GM from 68 that I have.I am not sure about the 69 model codes though.

Tommy https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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I did some research on this a few years ago... Pretty sure that I gave Marlin what I had found too so that he could verify my findings on cars that he researched.

The letter has to do with interior color only... The style of interior (be it bench or bucket, standard or deluxe) has no bearing on the code. As noted, "A" was black, "B" was blue, "R" was red, etc... I don't recall ever seeing an "M" code though.

The number following the letter denoted the exterior trim level. I don't have my records available currently so I'm going from memory on this, but I believe that no number following the code meant no exterior trim level, a "1" meant the car had roof drip rail moldings, a "2" indicated body side molding OR lower body molding, and "3" was roof drip rail moldings AND body side moldings OR roof drip rail moldings AND lower body moldings.

The anodized window trim MAY have been part of "2" (sorry, I just don't recall at the moment), but always seems to be included when "3" appears on the trim tag.

Regards,

Stan

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Stan is right on the money. I had documented the letter codes on the deuces and some other models, and then we compared notes one year at super chevy. I have verified many cars with those two codes, and the only to not fit the theory is a blue BB car at super chevy (remember that one Stan?). Otherwise, it's interior color and moulding combination, it won't relate to BB vs. SB, or SS or non-SS.

Never saw an 'M' though!

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It's settled then: "M" for mystery! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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not sure if it applies to the Nova line but I read that some cars got a code on the trim tag for interior paint color codes. These cars had metal panels in the interior that had to be painted to match the interior color.

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Bigdog;

M = Green Interior

M, or Rowdy Rat, do you remember the tag for that BB car that did not fit?

GregR

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M = Green Interior

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Greg,

I don't think so... Pretty sure that "G" was green... There was also an "S" for sandlewood I believe. I'll check my records this evening and see what I can turn up for "M".

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M, or Rowdy Rat, do you remember the tag for that BB car that did not fit?

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The car was a LeMans blue/black interior L-78 car with an "A2" code. The interior code of "A" fit OK, but the car had NO exterior trim where a "2" would indicate it should have had a body side molding or lower body molding. It was said to be a low mile, original car, but it is hard to say for certain if it was... I don't think, Marlin, Brian, or I were able to inspect the car in any detail because of the setting.

This was the only exception out of a couple hundred cars that I've looked at to this point. I would guess that Marlin has looked at more than I have and can comment on what he has seen.

Regards,

Stan

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I agree with Stan 100%, not sure how many cars I've looked at though. I don't really keep track of the cars that fit the mold, but I'm really looking for the exceptions. That blue/black L78 didn't have any clues of the moldings. I remember looking in the trunk with Stan to see if the holes at the ends of the body side moldings had been mudded over - didn't look like it. It was a decent car, just couldn't figure out the discrepancy.

I also believe 'G' is for the green interior, 'S' is for Sandalwood, 'B' is Blue and 'A' is black. Does this car have a cloth interior?

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Rowdy Rat;

G does equal GREEN, But so does M.

Here is what I think the codes in 69 mean. Remember there were two green interiors used in 1969. What I do not know is if the interior paint was a different shade for each trim style.

G = For use with Medium Green trim
M = for use with Midnight Green trim

The data size is small about 130 cars for 1969 (partial or full entries). It is a shame that most Nova guys do not collect trim tags and VINs like the Camaro guys do. Or at least they do not submit them to the Nova Research Project. I have not really validated the 1, 2, or 3 numbers. I did find exceptions. But most were cars that could have been modified. These were cars I could not look at further. So far everything seems to check out.

GregR

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Ironically, BigDog called this afternoon and was saying the all original car in question has green interior! So, you may be on to something!

Now that you have that settled: explain the difference between a big block and a small block radiator support!

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Checked the broadcast sheets for my 70 L78, the letter A appears in the trim section. I'm going to check all the #'s this weekend and compare options and trim to the sheet.

Hi Stan! Tom

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One, the difference in size of the opening in the support.

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# Two; the extra holes in the top for the hold down flap.
# Three; the extra nut welded to the passenger side for the rad bracket.

More?

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# Four:The Price. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Thanks for all you help.
Tom the opening in the support runs from the radiator tank to tank, is that a big block radiator support?
After all I am a camaro man........
Marlin I have not looked for any extra holes yet?
As far as price I am listening..........
Terry

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Hey,
Do not worry about the price of a big block radiator support, I looked and just as Marlin said all the holes are there...
Guys thank you for all your HELP!!!!!!
Terry

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G = For use with Medium Green trim
M = for use with Midnight Green trim

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Greg,

I was not aware that there were two distinct green interiors for 1969. What you posted makes perfect sense... GM would have to differentiate between the two colors in some manner. Still a bit odd that I haven't seen an "M" to this point... Must not be all that common.

Good info Greg.

What I have discovered in researching the number codes for trim level is that more often than not, any difference between the number and the exterior trim level was a result of the owner making a change to better suit his/her taste. The body side moldings seem to be removed in a lot of cases... I guess a lot of people like a "clean" look. The ONLY car so far that can't be explained in some manner is the previously mentioned blue L-78... Every other car surveyed seemed to follow the pattern that I posted previously.

Hey Tom!

Dig yourself out yet? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

Regards,

Stan

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Here's the nut (s) you're looking for https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Hey, I recognize those nuts.... and that bug in the radiator too! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

I'm gonna have to tell my wife that my nuts are pictured on the internet.

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Is this the car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=2456367868

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Rowdy Rat;

No problem, that is the kind of thing I am trying to do with the Nova Research Project It is just moving rather slow right now. A little bit here and there.

Greg

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Is this the car?

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That's the one.

And it will do lots of this, https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif of course. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif