1967 Camaro Pace Car
 

Does anyone know anything about this car?

67 Pace Car

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Only that its been for sale at that dealer for over a year now.

At that price I'm guessing "relicamaro." https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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The car looks nice in the pictures and the "price is right".

It does not say it is a fake or clone anywhere so I was wondering why is has not sold (or why I should't buy it). https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Get the cowl tag information and that will tell whether it is a real Pace Car or a wannabe.

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I remember this car listed elsewhere and the description said something like authentic pace car striping package https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif or something that pretty much said it was a clone. If it wasnt a clone, it would have sold long ago.

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I had mine over a year and sold it for that price. The rear antenna kinda kills this one though.


Jason

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I had mine over a year and sold it for that price. The rear antenna kinda kills this one though.
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Very detailed information in the ad, At least we know its a 67 Camaro and its white. I would definatly hire this guy to do my ad slicks https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif
Sam

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Pretty sure it's a clone, here is another add for the same car stating "Complete decal pkg ...", its listed about 20 or so down. 67IPC

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I was wondering if anyone in the area had looked at the car and verified the numbers either way since it has been for sale for a long time. I am with you - looks like it is probably a replica.

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This car has to be a put together look-a-like. The VIN is about 70,000 cars earlier than the first recorded 1967 pace car which is 191XXX. The first '67 pace cars were built the 3rd week of March. None built the 4th week for some reason, but the majority of the dealer and festival Pace Cars were built during the 4 weeks of April. There were Camaros built during the months of May, June and July, but they did not receive the pace car package, even though they were White RS/SS convertibles with deluxe blue interior. Those cars came with black pin stripes and a black bumble bee stripe. There were Canadian Pace Cars built and they were all built during the 3rd week of June. Those cars came with the blue striping like the 300 or so US built pace cars. Roughly 110 were used at the track during the month of May and some 200 or so were ordered by dealers. The dealer cars had the C-1 paint code and the Festival track cars all had the 0-1 paint code. The Canadian cars had the 0-1 paint code as well. The Los Angeles, CA built pace cars were all built during the 4 weeks of April. No festival cars were built in the CA plant.

Charlie, if you were wondering, your car had at least 14 other pace cars built before yours and the backup car. The first dealer built Pace car was in the 1st week of April and the last festival built pace car was also in the 4th week of April. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Matt,

Good information, thanks for the response.

Gary

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Matt, do you know anything about the dash on the trim tag on some 67 pace cars? I was told it is on some trim tags but not others?

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Could those last '67 Camaro convertibles (and coupes) built with blue interiors and black nose and pinstripes have been part of the "Pacesetter" sale? I've seen a few Pacesetter cars and they are usually plain-Jane 6-cylinders with a bumblebee stripe. No doubt a few of them got converted into Pace Car look-alikes.

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JoeC,

Yes, the dash ( - ) is found in the 4th or 5th group depending on if there is a 5th group on the trim tag. It is ironically on all Pace cars built in March and April and only on the Canadian cars in June. I have seen quite a few '67 Camaros built in May, June, and July that were identical to the Pace Cars but none of them had the ( - ). I have researched these pace cars for years and I never say never, but I still have not seen any later than April with the dash. I believe that the dash is a special Paint code for the Blue striping. I saw a white ext. on red int. '67 SS conv. with a dash in the fifth group and the car was original paint and it had a red bumble bee stripe and pin stripe. Weird why they would put that dash on the trim plate, but it is there as well as some festival and dealer cars with the fleet codes (050A, 061A, 062A, and 070A), also no cars had the fleet codes after April and the Canadian cars had no fleet codes.

As far as the pacesetter sale cars, I am not sure, but bet a lot of them were. I had a dealer tell me that his rep asked him in Dec or Jan if he wanted to get a Pace Car, and he said no. When he saw the photos of one, he called his rep and said order me one. He was told that it was too late. He told me that he ordered a White RS/SS with deluxe blue interior. Figuring it would be a pace car he said that it came in with a black nose and pin stripe and no decals. I have a picture of me next to a Pace setter sale Camaro, V-6 conv with a blue top that my dad had in '67. I was a year old and it had a black nose and pin stripe. I bet a lot of dealers ordered that color combination late after Chevy released the photos of the car. Sears did a Pace Car give away and it was a v-6 pace setter car with the 500 decals on it. The dealer told me that he ordered a set of the pace car decals for his car and sold it as one. He said he told another dealer friend of his to order one with the stripe delete and he did and he painted a blue stripe on it and ordered the decals through parts and also sold it as a pace car. It would be hard to explain that one today if that car turned up by the original owner. The dealer did say that it was last known to be in TX. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Matt,

------Pretty sure its just a minor brain fart,but I dont think there were any V-6s put in any 67 Camaros.......Bill S

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Bill,

There were some 60,000 V-6 Camaros built in 1967 . . . I guess that most of the Pace Setter cars were V-6's, but then again, I'm sure they were V-8's as well. Must have been a bad brain fart . . . https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Maybe a 6 cyl, but not a V-6!

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In the sixties I believe the only V-6 engines GM had were a small 231? aluminum buick, and a iron GMC truck engine.
Motown https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I believe the aluminum engine you are refering to was a V6 213 Buick that came in some Skylarks in the 60's. The Camaros used the L6-230 and L6-250 engines for 6-cyl applications. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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-----Guess thats what I was getting at........Bill S

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AH Yes . . . technicalities . . . either not enough sleep on my part or maybe I just never paid much attention to a V6 or L6, I guess when they are only good for . . ., well not much . . ., and you only have V8 Muscle and 427's on your mind, then anything lesser . . . can slip by . . . un-noticed https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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------Matt-----6 in a row make it go. Ask Clifford,LOL!!!!!!
------Are you guys contemplating any sort of modified new GTOs? I seem to be in the minority,but it looks like a great platform for one of your build-ups!.......Bill S

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Bill,

A GTO would be cool to work on because the powertrain is great. BUT, we work with dealers, so if any of them can come up with 30 or so GTO's then we might be interested, but we don't work on street cars and therefore we might not touch a GTO for a few years, just like the new Vette coming out. Again, it will take dealers a while to get the inventory of those because they are selling as fast as they get them. Both will be on our plate I bet in a few years, unless GM wants us to do something special for a limited run. I will keep my options open. Thanks for asking . . .

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Matt. Great time to pose this question..What significance could the dash - have thats on the trim tag at the cowl for a nose stripe thats painted at a different factory all together ( I'm to understand that the nose was painted at GM and the body at Fisher)? My buddy Mike has documented special order paint with dashes just like you..It would seem you are correct but I cannot figure out how..Did the trim tag have info that the GM guys read as well as the Fisher guys??? Charley..Question for you..It has been said that the Festival cars received clear coat over the paint..I'm been unable to find proof of this. Does 92 have clear coat? Can I bring my 400 grit paper to Carlisle and find out for myself? T https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...arleySucks.gif

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Oh..and what I know of this car is that it is overpriced by 10K..Still nice though

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Matt,
You got mail. And you are long winded!
Motown https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I wish we could find out what the - (dash) on the trim tag means for sure. Right now, it is a guess, but I can't think of anything that the - would mean otherwise. Maybe there was someone in the dept that printed the trim tags and to identify them they put a dash on there somewhere . . . it would only fit at the end of a line as the other spots were taken and it might have been easy to put one there. Maybe all these Pace Cars have a hole or something indented into them, but then again, other cars have a dash on the tag as well . . . a mystery still to this day . . .

On another note . . . anyone see a hole punch in the bottom of a trim plate ?? about the size of a 1/8" punch ?? I have seen this on many trim plates, not a ton, but more than a few . . . any ideas ??

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I have never noticed the 1/8" punch but wasn't looking either..I'll check mine. The - does make sense for the paint to me but only if the GM plant workers also read the trim tag. Many Norwood cars that I've seen have the tag painted white as if hit with a shot of spray paint(can).If the Fisher guys read the tag and built their part with paint being the final task then why paint the tag white unless the GM side needed to read it as well (I suspect the white helped to shadow the tag imprints for better readability?)I've seen tags that were taped over and remained silver color? Another method of keeping them readable?

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Matt and Charley..What are your thoughts on the clear coat assumption..I'm hedging towards no at this point but that throws a curve ball to the C-1 vs. 0-1 explainations

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I have been researching a similar dash that I found on my 67 Yenko Camaro trim tag and 3 other documented 67 Yenko Camaros so am also researching a little on the dash on 67 Pace cars. I am not happy with the quantity of data to make any firm conclusions but here are some theories I am working on. Some Camaro researchers tell me my dash was for special paint but I know the original owner of my car who said it had the white stripe no different then other SS Camaros. Also I would think that a dash just for paint or stripe delete would be in the paint code field of the trim tag not in the area of the 4-5 code field. On the 67 pace cars there were some factory clear coat paint cars with a 0-1 paint code where other cars had a C-1 paint code. I think the dash in the 4-5-code field was for some type of COPO. This would not be a high performance COPO but one for a fleet or special order. I have found strange trim tags on police cars, military vehicles, red cross bloodmobiles and other cars that I believe were ordered COPO not RPO. One of the Camaro books reprinted some original Chevy documents on the 67 Indy 500 program where they list 79 vehicles (Camaros, 9-pass wagons, ¾ ton trucks, and ½ ton trucks) After the list is this sentence quoted from this document “ All vehicles with the exception of the brass hat cars have already been ordered out of Central Office for delivery as follows”. Does this mean a COPO was done on these dash cars? Maybe the dash in the 4-5 field of trim tag was some type of identification mark that told the assembly plant that there were some special instructions required for this car. A dash stamped vehicle could have had an information package that traveled with the car from time of trim tag stamping. When a dash car showed up, they knew the car had some type of special instructions required for delivery. I have some of the original files from Yenko’s Canonsburg office where I found documents where Don was requesting a COPO on the 67 Camaro but it is not clear what he was asking for. I don’t think it was for hi po equipment but more for a fleet order. There are a few reasons why I think Yenko may have been allowed to COPO vs RPO some of the 67 Camaros. Don was always looking for low price on the base car for his Supercars so a fleet order may have allowed a lower price same as a fleet order of taxi cabs or phone co. cars would allow special pricing. The fleet order would allow Don to order a large quantity of L78 Camaros. It was difficult to get an L78 Camaro in 67. There were only 1140 L78 Camaros built in 67 which would be less then 3 per dealer and Yenko batch ordered about 50 L78s. Yenko’s 1967 ads specified 4 colors which also indicated some type of batch order for some of his cars. All this is my opinion from my research on the 67 Yenkos but maybe this will help someone who is researching the 67 Pace cars with dash on trim tag.

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Excellent theorizing..Besides the published books do you have any thoughts on the validity of the clear coat?

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On another note . . . anyone see a hole punch in the bottom of a trim plate ?? about the size of a 1/8" punch ?? I have seen this on many trim plates, not a ton, but more than a few . . . any ideas ??

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CRG has been tracking this for some time now. At this point it just looks like the only think in common is that they are in groups throughout the year.

As far as the dash goes, we have data on more than a dozen cars that have the dash that are not pace cars. Looks like it was just used for some kind of special order purposes.

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Oh and by the way JoeC,,I could get used to calling my smallblock pacer a COPO! But that might be splitting hairs https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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I almost didn't use the term "COPO" because the magazines have blown up the term into a name for hi po 427 and LT1 cars that gets people over-excided but really there were a lot of "COPO" cars and trucks made for fleet and special orders that could not be built as RPO. It is unfortunate that Chevy didn’t keep better records of all the special vehicles they built but it would have been a huge record-keeping task.
The non Pace cars with dash on trim tags may be some type of special fleet order but nothing to do with racing. I read that some of the zones would get dealers together and order a fleet of cars with colors or options that were not available with RPO. They would run some type of local promotional campaign to sell the cars and build showroom traffic. I remember reading about special zone orders not only GM but others auto co.
Chevy took the 67 Pace car program very seriously. Looking through the GM documentation they mention the Central Office a few times. They even had a “Central Office Headquarters Room” at the Speedway Motel and set up a blanket purchase order so any cost to the Indy zones can be “ rebilled to Chevrolet Central Office Merchandising Department”. I would love to see those bills going by stories I have read about race car drivers and promo cars.
There is no mention of clear coat cars in these docs but I read somewhere else that the cars used at the speedway had factory clear coat. Maybe because of the sandblasting effect of running around the Indy track at high speed? Not sure about that but you know there must have been some hi speed runs in the Camaro L78s.

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I just found another ad for the same car on Collector Car Trader.

Note the term "Pace Car Appearance"?

http://adcache.collectorcartraderonl...8/62485328.htm

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I called about this car about a year ago and they said it was NOT a real pace car.just the decals were added. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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There were Canadian Pace Cars built and they were all built during the 3rd week of June. Those cars came with the blue striping like the 300 or so US built pace cars. Roughly 110 were used at the track during the month of May and some 200 or so were ordered by dealers. The dealer cars had the C-1 paint code and the Festival track cars all had the 0-1 paint code. The Canadian cars had the 0-1 paint code as well. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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The 11 small block Canadian pacecars (out of 22 built, plus the AJ Foyt replacement Pacecar with A/C) weren't even SS'es. They were all LF7 327/210HP Rally sports. Just a little tidbit of little known info.

Don't qoute me the old USCC article that says they were L48 RS/SS'es, because its wrong, I've seen the GM of Canada paperwork on these. None of the SB cars are SS'es.

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JoeC great info.. I'm curious where info like the Zone office purchase order etc. comes from. I've heard tales of maybe a GM list of Festival cars and VINs could emerge? it would be great to get some solid figures on production for a change..It's so odd that so many have been found compared to say 67 Z28's where more than twice as many were made yet so few have made " The registry "..I think the distinctive colors of the Pacers vs the Z's and the abuse the Z's would have experienced has something to do with it but that doesn't seem to be enough of a reason.

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That would be news to me on the Canadian cars..The only reason they are on the registry is because of found paperwork, not found cars! I've never seen a Canadian Pacer..I'd like to see one that has rs not ss..Please prove this to me..If true thanks very much! Anyone have figures on actual discovered or documented Canadian cars? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif..I'm guessing 3 and all bigblocks (ss's of course)

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Actually I was probably being to harsh on the old USCC article, if you look at the options listed in that article (which does include the VIN's of all 22 or them) in there for the small block cars you don't see either, Z27, or L48 listed. Everyone just assumed they were SS's.

And of course the 396 cars are RS/SS's.