67 (YENKO) baldwin motion identification question
 

hi, my name is matt i'm a new member and i am attempting to restore my third 1st gen. camaro. I purchased it in kingston ,Ma. about ten years ago- the body still looks new,it looks like a plain jane 327 rs coupe, but its got frontend discs (original) a big swaybar, a crazy looking cross member, line lock near the steering pump on the cowl, 4spd,and posi removed from car- motor long gone but man I purchased it from said he bought it off local vette dealer who took a 427 out of it for a drag car, car came up from new york. Both of us at the time new nothing about camaros with 427's in them so I never knew to research about motion cars till now, I have the original registration which shows the car registered in amittyville ny, I don't know how close that is to Baldwin chevrolet, car has never been out of a trailer or garage its whole life- its way too good a shape for the northeast, also the heaterbox looks original and the hoses are way over on the passenger side, I have an original 327 camaro and its hoses are in the middle and it didn't come with anything this has underneath, also the car seems to have a traction bar bracket under the passenger floor but no bar , I just started reading about this in some books but I'm lost, this ain't an ss- it has no badging or ss hood, but all components are orignal (flat hood)and the car has bigblock or z28 vintage braking and suspension parts, before I restore it , I like to know what it is-what should I look for, My other two are a 327 67 coupe and a 69 ss 396 w/ protecto plate both I restored myself from the ground up so I familiar with both's components and where to look to verify but I can't figure this one out. any help? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

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Welcome! I'm sure someone here can/will help you. But, please take a moment and fill out your profile.

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It could also be an L30/M20 car. When combined with those RPO's several SS components were also used.

http://www.camaros.org/l30m20.shtml

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just filled out bio, I got a 1 and 2 year old hanging on me right know so I might have to bale from the forum at any time, Its not an L30/M20 because of the heater box, mine has the hoses near the passenger fender so the bigblock would fitalso on z28s, I looked at the photos on camaro.org it shows the L30 heaterbox hoses in the middle of car like all 327s and 350s. I have areal 327 I already restored and heaterbox is in the middle ,this isn't. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]

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Could you please post your cowl tag info? This will also help tell you what you have. Vin number could also help if it was a 67 yenko. Roger

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hi, and thanks for your help- can't give you the cowl tag, because its not original, and the vin tag on the door jamb is gone someone wanted them real bad to rip those rivets out. I cleand up the top of cowl where the vin is embosed starts w/ 7N then looks like 229711 could be 717 or 777 I'll have to keep cleaning it. thanks , by the way it has vintage traction bars bolted to both monoleafs still in car.

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car,s cowl is rivted but loose and the lower left corner is broken off, ( probably pryed), color code says deepwater blue w/ blue interior , car is original red -under the front fenders along cowl where it joins up to door hinges, started scratching white coat of paint off all body parts, they sprayed right over original paint w/ white coat has to be 15yrs old at least. I keep finding red underneath everything, keep on scratching I hit sheetmetal. Ever see copper tubing used from master cylinder to valve and linelock ?(old).

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Without a trim tag, vin or documentation you're going to have a hard time trying to determine what it orginally was... plus you'll never be able to sell it as anything other than a non-titled roller. It sounds like a cool car for building a full-time racer out of though.

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its got a vin screwed in of coarse 12337 (6cylinder), the cowl tag still could be the real deal,when I mean loose I can just pull the top back enough to see white paint like on top of the cowl, the front is sprayed black like the engine compartment, looks to never have been repainted inside, the break in the cowl tag is the very left corner not between the rivets or affecting the codes in any way, looks like someone tried to pull it off but gave up? Ma. laws are real lax on cars prior to 1970, a number, 50$ , a wait in line at the DMV equals a new title, used to free till a few years ago. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

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hey roger if my cowl is corret its 2B 3sk 5B- I know no 4 code but this car blows the doors off my 69 ss 396 w/orig motor and protecto plate I stole for 2500$, got a 402 set up for racing for free as part of deal, wife made him dump it [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

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What engine is currently in your 67 you are currently scratching on?

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a 12oz. bud can right now, no motor, dealer pulled a 427 out of her before I bought it , it came out of newyork,amittyville-like the movie-BOO! By blows the doors off I mean she's loaded up with dealer racing options, my69 ss was easy resto. 396, 4spd , 12 bolt just neede freshing up, this 67 is a monster, lokks like a sleeper z on the outside. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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whats the full VIN and Cowl tag info? Does the partial VIns under the cowl and near the heater blower motor match the VIN plate?

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rs/ss 427 orig disc brakes, swaybar, heaterbox, copper tube linelock,BB springs and shocks, lakewood traction bars on some monster rear axle, pulled cover ,gears are destroyed, no bolts on rear axle (what is it),4 spd, got original registration- guess I'm gonna have to try and backtrack and find this motor- they usually don't stray far from where they are ripped out. Garaged entire life,all steel,chrome and glass still there, only bondo was used to fill in rs reverse light holes- had to climb under the car to find the holes, looked like it came from the factory w/ deleted backup lights- best bondo job [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] I ever saw (or almost didn't see, thank god for magnets.

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How about a picture of your 67 in question. Do you have a digital camera so you can take so pics of the cowl tag, vin# plate, maybe some shots of the disk brake setup, heater box, engine compartment, some of the interior racing options? Any pics would help. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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no match , I just left car so I'm goin' late nite memory right now vin on door 123377n242371, cowl and box 7n224711 [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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By your description and the options it has, it sounds like your car is a factory built 67 Camaro SS/RS 396, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be a converted 427 Baldwin Motion or Yenko Camaro. To bad you could find out where it was originally sold.

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sure I'll take pics, but its 2am here and I'm headin' to bed soon, I'll try and snap a few off tomorrow, pics that is. its 229711 on cowl & box not224711 its late and a lot of ozs. later. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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Flat hood or SS louvered hood?

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I think that's where Matt Murphy was on to something last nite he wanted me to call him right away toget info and look for other stuff that would distinguish it but I had to clean all the dust of it first so as not to waste anyone's time, [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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2am, I hear ya! Probably taking pictures right now after having a few brews wouldnt be the best thing to do! Who knows what kind of pictures you would share with us! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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123377N shows it as a 6 cylinder car from the General. Cowl partial VIN and the cars VIN dont match. If youhave not bought the car yet, I would take the VIN to the local police and ask them to check it. Stolen/salvaged/peice meal car comes to mind.

Better safe than sorry

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flat, that's what's throwin me, do you know of any 67 z28's whose heater hoses are way over in bigblock territory, car was built063, 717-z nor14367(memory again) ee, but its red down under. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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stolen is coming to mind that's what I'm afraid of, but I bought it as a parts car for 500$ 10 years ago, the front end alone is worth about 5 times that. I know the codes don't match, but I don't think they got the one they wanted on the cowl those rivots held tight(good)! Just finishing up my second restoration-do all the work myself with my old man he's like the dad from orange county choppers, this 67 is all there and too rare to part out so its looking like the third resto project. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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Do you mean the car was built 06B instead of 063?

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E fifth week [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

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Radiator still in the car? 4 core?
How about the engine mounts? Is the driver's side mount taller than the passenger side one?

Enough questions, we shall talk again tomorrow! Take it easy and I hope this turns out to be a Supercar, one never knows! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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RIVITS on the cowl??? the firewall for the cowl (trim) tag or the partial VIN?? A cowl tag would be easy to remove with a screwdriver

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Down boy, she's cleaner than coming out of norwood right now , just gotta find the motor, looks like someone spent some money at motion and tru on some race options like superbite rearend , he put them in perfect and those seals have never been brok or repalced (big block motor mounts by the way) [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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its way past my bedtime , and the wife is a callin' the partial on the cowl is embossed, the trim tag is riveted on the firewall, sorry if I screwed it up I can't type as fast as I 'm thinking, the trim 's got no 4 code so it pretty much kills super status right- hell I just want to put her back the way she was, not sell her, I still got my first car I bought at 15 67 327 auto, complete retore, had it 15 yrs and brought her back from the dead in a new hampshire farm field in the middle of a snowstorm. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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get some sleep the VIN alone tells you its not a big block SS car

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Pictures would help, maybe you can get some to us tomorrow. More the better.

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yeah the12337 on the door janb is screwed in not riveted- its not the original tag, someone took it and left me with abright shiny 6 cylinder one not this car nite [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif[/img], nite

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you got it and I can unscrew the vin off the door jam and throw it out cuz it was on there so the last guy could sell me the car not because someone felt like ripping it off just to 1/8 screw it back on without restoring the car. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

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After sharing the pics with us, you can send some to Joel Rosen (Mr. Motion) [email protected]

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LOL...I'm not sure Joel would enjoy discussing a car without a real VIN, with or without pics...LOL [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img]

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It was just a thought, plus I was referring to if and when he located the original Vin#.

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good morning campers, got the digital camera fired up, gotta wait for my old man to download these into an attachment, just got this thing for xmas , he knows what to do, good things come to those who wait. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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other than the embossed partial on the cowl, where else can I look, From the history I got off the last owner who bought it off a local vette dealer about17yrs. ago the dealer ripped the 427out and put it in a drag vette, sold the car as parts, probaly ripped the vin off cause it worth selling not cuz stolen, if they wanted tags for a good clone they were better off leaving them on car, its mint, I 've restored alot worse that I paid more to initially buy, we've passed on alot of questionable tagged cars in past, I strictly bought this one as parts it was all there and solid, its only when we got it home and saw how solid and vintage race options were, we decided not to part, so we tucked her away till now, we restored cars to stock Gm,we didn't know nothing about 427 67's and dealer installed monsters, so it sat. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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thanks, mr.T I just spoke with Mr. Murphy and gave him some more particulars, we are in agreement, now I got enough to go straight to the source, I'm also in the process of sending pics to him, thanks, I'll let you now how it turns out [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]