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I am currently having my Douglass Yenko restored and I was wondering if anyone has a definitive answer on the placement of Yenko emblems for the Douglass cars? My understanding is that the placement is different from the Cannonsburg Yenkos.

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Chris,
Thanks for the post. Do you (are you going to have) the Yenko emblem below the Camaro script on the fenders? Also, did you utilize any 427 emblems? Have you seen other Douglass cars with similar emblem placement as yours? Has Jack commented on the placement?

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Sorry Chris. I did not look at all of the pictures before I posted. Some questions still apply. Have you seen other Douglass cars and the placement of emblems? Has Jack ever commented on the placement?

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Clint, I know Stefano found some original holes in my car and on John's white one. He would probably know better than I.
He also had an old magazine article from the 80's with a picture of the Licko car and the "odd" emblem placement.
You are up to emblem placement already?????????
I was hoping my car would be the first one to appear at a reunion!!

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licko car
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/37685-yenkocamaro2.jpg

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Oh my, a black tailpan.Very cool! Schonye

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Hi Clint my car is a all original body panel car. I have holes that were once welded up above the Camaro script. I chose to put mine below the Camaro script. The holes in the tail panel were to the right of the bow tie emblem. Shors were in the same place. I do not have any holes in my hood for 427 emblems, there is no way of knowing if the hood could have been changed since my car had some race history.

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side shot

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Shor I love the blue bowtie on the yellow car! ssl78 I didn't notice yours as well when I was at the show. Wasn't this an old debate about the Douglas cars and the rear blue bow ties?

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Frank it was but it shouldnt be because My car and shors car have original tail panels and both had the holes drilled in the same spot. I wonder if Clints car is the same way.

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Thanks for the info. I will follow suit on the tail panel and fenders. Chris, do you know if the hood on your car is original? Did it originally have the emblems on the hood? Stefano? I am still waitng on some pictures of my car from the original owner when the car was new. I only have one picture of the car in 1972 but I am not able to see the emblem placement. He states that the car was badged but does not remember the exact placement.

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ssl78:

Just curious...why did you not put the emblems back where they were originally? Were the emblems on Shor's above the the "Camaro" script as well?

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I wish my car was done. The car is at the point where we are just looking for templates for emblem placement. In the next week, the body will be done and in primer. Most of the body is done and the restorer is just hanging the front end sheet metal and getting it all lined up. The car is coming along very nicely and I am very pleased with the restorers work. He has really done the car the way I wanted it and has nice detail. I still have to complete the motor, trans, rear, interior and paint. It is probably 5-6 months from completion.

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Good point Rob. I think that it would look kind of funny though. Although, if it was done that way at Douglass, it would be cool to see a Douglass car restored that way. Chris? Stefano?

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I just didnt like the way it looked with the emblems on the top of the script. The way it was on the tail panel I thought looked ok. I did the car so I can drive it and enjoy it for a while. I also know it will be framed off at a later date. As for Shors car it isnt original fenders so there is no way of knowing the placement.

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Clint do you know if yours came with a enduro bumper and chambered exhaust like all the others.

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Unless we get some pictures from an original owner......

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Yes. The car came with an endura bumper. It was still with the car when I got it. The car also came with chambered exhaust when I got it but I am not 100% certain that the car had it originally. I have no reason to think otherwise.

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So, did the car not have stripes originally, or was the emblem even above them? You're right, that would look odd...

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No way of knowing if my car had stripes but if it did they would have to of been moved up higher than normal. We know of two Douglas Yenkos that were original paint and had stripes and emblems before they were restored. I will have to ask them if they remembered where their emblems were. I believe when theese cars were restored they had their fenders changed. I just found the pictures and it looks like the Yenko emblem was above the Script with the 427 in front of it the measurment of the holes work out perfect. That could be why I have no holes in the hood for the 427. Who knows who was installing them they could have all been different. I rember working at a body shop when I was young and they had just repainted a demon, the boss came up to me with a bunch of decals and told me to put them on. I said I didnt know where they went so he said just put them on so I put them any where.

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In speaking with the original owner, he did say that the car was badged when he bought it but not striped. He said that he purchased the car as a Yenko and paid Yenko money, somwhere around $4500 he stated. He did not like the stripes and that is why he bought it. He looked at a Daytona Yellow non vinyl top car that was striped but could not stomach the stripes. The car that he looked at may be the car owned by Shor. I was thinking about striping the car anyway but I am undecided. What do you guys think about striping it. Badges only or add the stripes? I like the stripes but I also want to take the car back to its original state. Thoughts?? Do you think that the car would get bashed if I striped it? Dont hold back fellas!!

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I would like to see more Douglass owners participate in this forum. If your out there, share stories about your cars. Can you add info?

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This has the makings of another 15+ page thread, but here I go anyway...

First off, in my mind, if the emblems were above the Camaro script (just above the crease in the fender, as pictured in your original fenders), then the car didn't have the stripes. If you move the stripes up, then they interfere with the door handle/lock and how they flow into the spoiler stripes. Now, they very well could have put the stripes in their "normal" location and placed the emblems on top of the stripes...it would look odd, but could be done.

Clint: as for adding the stripes to your car, I would put it back as it originally came (without stripes). Why? That is how it was sold, and it's part of the car's character. Yeah, it's different, but in my mind, different is GOOD. My Yenko Chevelle is supposed to be Fathom Green with a green vinyl top...not really an appealing combo in my mind! But, that's how it was originally, and it's DIFFERENT.

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I would say leave the stripes off....if thats the way it came and you can verify.If it came with stripes and you can verify I would do it with the stripes. I think they look nice without stripes personally.

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Clint, You have spent the time and money to document how the car was equipped when new. Why go against what you know? Put the car back the way is was originally, emblems, no stripes. Any thing different only cheapens the car IMO.

By looking at information I have, which says emblems and trim (no mention of stripes) and what I have seen and heard, it is not certain that JD installed Yenko stripes on COPO cars. As Rob mentioned, JD varied from the way Yenko did it, which would have caused some problems.

Now, and this is not to step on any toes, I am curiuos about something. From what I have been told and read, Jack Douglass was a major player during the musclecar era. He sold some very neat cars, which to me have their own legacy. I can not understand for the life of me why owners of Douglass cars insist on adding/moving emblems, adding non-original stripes etc. It is as though they are ashamed of the Douglass name. Why? Why not let the Yenko name be a side bar to the history of Jack Douglass Chevrolet and his cars and concentrate on promoting the legacy he developed. If I were an owner of a Douglass car, instead of trying to align with Yenko, I would put my efforts into making the Douglass name as well known and appreciated as the other supercar dealers. Much the way that owners of Yenko, Gibb, Harrell, cars etc are doing.

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I agree with you wholeheartedly Tom. It's pretty evident that some Copo cars sold by Douglass got the stripes & badges, some got badges, and, some got neither. Putting them back to the way they were sold makes the most sense to me too.

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I also agree they should be put back the way they were sold. Until I can find evidence how mine was sold I believe in Yenkos own words they were sold with yenko badges and trim. If he only ment badges he wouldnt have added the trim to the description. If he didnt mean stripes by the trim part what did he mean? The only other evidence we have is the two cars that were original paint that had the stripes, now one that came with just badges. As for mine having stripes it is still possible because moving the stripes up wouldnt affect it at all, the top stripe would have had to be trimmed around the key lock but the back of the stripe where it meets the spoiler gets trimmed any way and is the same thickness all the way down. I know all the owners from present back to 1973 when Richards Corvette in Colarado had it for sale. Hopefully I can find out its History prior to that and find out how it really came. Up to now all evidence leads me to believe it should be striped. I really dont mean to start another long debate but we all have are opinions.

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Yenko said he sold JD emblems and trim, not that all, or any of Jack's cars for that matter, received the items. As I said, without proof, why turn a Jack Douglass COPO into a Yenko? IMO it down plays the importance of Jack Douglass Chevrolet and his accomplishments.

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Clint, it is clear that these were sold as Douglas * COPO Yenkos. Is it not true that the only reason these cars were not bought through Yenko, is that Jack bought them direct, because he could, and knew how? Is it not true that Yenko "blessed" Jack to sell them as Yenkos? Also providing him with the necessary items to make them Yenko's, plus Yenko's commission. Personally, I would stripe it just because I would not want to explain the story time after time. I don't think you would be wrong for striping it simply because the original owner decided against it. Is anyone aware of a Canonsburg Yenko bought without stripes? Would it be wrong to restore it with stripes? Reminds me of the stripe delete LS-6's. I would put the stripes on them also. I love stripes! If the next guy doesn't like them, he can take them off. I don't feel you would be "misrepresenting" the car. Just my opinion.

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Would there be the rush to put Yenko stripes on all Jack Douglass cars if his COPOs gathered more attention and $$$ then Yenko COPOs. Of course not!

And in our hobby where rarity is important, a JD COPO is much more rare then a Yenko COPO, somethning like 10-1.

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Tom, I am only saying that would refer to the 20-25 cars that were intended to be Douglas* COPO Yenko's, not all COPO's he sold. Are the 20-25 vin #'s known of that second batch? I would have to think so. It was an option, was it not? I can appreciate you wanting to protect the Canonsburg Yenko cars, but what happened at Jack Douglas, happened. You or I cannot change that. Right or wrong, authorized or un-authorized, it appears Jack and Don had some type of agreement. Sure, it would be neat if Jack had his own stripe and emblem treatment, but he did not. I still see nothing wrong with applying Yenko stripes to a car sold new with Yenko emblems. Again, just my opinion.

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If there is no evidence that a certain car came with Yenko stripes, or for that matter, Motion stripes, Harrell emblems, etc. then adding them to any car is turning that car into something it is not. It does not matter if done with a COPO or a base car.

That is why the sYc will never take part in any thread, nor answer email, where it appears that some one is wanting info to build a clone. And, why we do all we can to supress the building/selling of clones.


It is not about protecting Canonsburg cars. It is about protecting the integrity of ALL supercars, including JD cars. Remember, I am the one who provided the documentation that confirmed the connection between Don and Jack. If I had wanted to supress the JD, DY connection, I could have sat on that info.

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And I still think they look very cool and different without the Yenko stripe..If I had one and I knew it din't come with stripes I would never put them on.I hate to say this but it's a much cleaner look.

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Hi Dave, great post I couldnt have said it better. Tom you seem to be all over the place. First you say good work Clint for spending the time and money to document the way the car came new, with emblems no stripes. Then you say why turn a JD COPO into a Yenko.
Clint if I remember correctly in a previous post you talked to the original owner of your DJ yenko correct? Did he say he bought a COPO or a Yenko? Did stripes come with the car? Did emblems come with the car? Was it his choice if he wanted them ( I would think if someone went into Yenko and said I want one with no Stripes he would sell it that way). If I am correct Clint is the only person who talked to an original owner of a DJ Yenko, so at this point I would say he is the proof of what happened back than.
As for JD owners trying to turn a JD COPO into Yenkos for the money, that is ridiculos. In my opinion having the identical car with endura bumper, chambered exhaust and rosewood wheel isnt any less valuable than a Yenko. How much more proof do you need original paint cars with stripes and emblems. JD himself signing documents he had a deal with Yenko. Yenkos estate documents stating he sold Yenko emblems and trim to JD (do you think he wall papered his office with the stuff). Last but not least we have finally found an original owner to end any doubt. All this because a few guys would just like to put thiere car BACK TO THE WAY IT CAME WHEN BOUGHT NEW.

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Can you please repeat that SSL78 !!!

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Well said ssl78! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif[/img]