68 Baldwin Motion Camaro going to Barrett
 

Well we’re taking the 68 Camaro to Barrett-Jackson in January. Have a 6:30 time slot on Saturday the 28. Lot # 1418. I’ll be going to Scottsdale on the 23, If any members are going please stop by the car. Don’t know how to post the link. Thanks. Joe

Thanks. Guys !!!!

What a cool car!! Your going to miss it!!

Wow, that is beautiful.

Good luck. Hope you make a million.

That Camaro is GORGEOUS!!

Great car! Didn’t know that this car existed.

I would have a hard time parting with that one Joe.

Awesome car, Joe, GLWS. Would be great if Rick E. got to drive it across the block there, for that extra yenko.net connection!

Amazing, GLWS!!

An incredible piece! Usually Motion cars are a little more outrageous exterior-wise. This one is nice and sedate. GLWS

For registry purposes - any Motion papers or Baldwin invoice showing new car conversion?

Beautiful car!!!

Thanks

Lot #1418 - This Baldwin Motion 1968 Chevrolet Camaro RS/SS has documentation from NCRS confirming the original dealer as Baldwin Chevrolet, with owner history to day one - an original, unrestored time capsule. It has original body panels and paint (some touch-up), 100% original interior, original born-with Cowl Tag confirming this is indeed a factory black/black built per the Trim Tag, which is coded 11C, indicating the third week of November 1967, which is the model year 1968. It is powered by the original 427/425hp GM engine as installed by Motion Performance, and still retains the original broach marks and machine code of T1117ID indicating November 17 assembly as 425hp; cast K77 indicating November 7, 1967; and casting pour with 840 square-port heads cast K27 indicating a November 2, 1967, casting pour. It is equipped with the original GM intake with Motion 3-barrel carburetor modification and the original 3-barrel Holley carburetor. It has the original traction bars made by LAB machine attached to the original GM 4.56 posi-traction coded rear end with stick-welded tubes by Motion Performance. This car also has its born-with M21 close-ratio 4-speed transmission with GM-matching VIN stamp. It has the Motion-installed early-style Lakewood bell housing with two-piece inspection cover and Motion-installed original aluminum Schaefer flywheel, as well as the original date-coded GM power brake booster and master cylinder, and original 4-piston front disc brake calipers. The car also features the Motion-installed fly-eye air cleaner, dual-point Mallory distributor, electric fuel pump in trunk, die-cast valve covers and Ram Charger salmon ignition wires. It comes complete with the original Motion-installed Sun Tach and gauges, along with the original Hurst shifter. The original predecessor to the COPO, this is an original unrestored black/black Baldwin Motion Camaro, with its original 427/425hp engine as installed by Motion Performance before its original sale by Baldwin Chevrolet - a true unrestored Baldwin Motion Camaro in exceptional condition. 22,883 actual miles.


Auction description does not specifically say the car was an actual MOTION hands on prepared vehicle. That said if Joel authenticated the car or it has the original receipts from MOTION showing the prep and parts then that info should definitely be in the official vehicle description.

We have certified letters from Billy Mitchel that worked at Motion from 1967 to 1972 that there are certain items that were done to the car were done by him .Also we have all the owner history on the Camaro which has been a New Jersey car all its life. The Camaro was at the Camaro Nationals this year and was looked at by many judges; Steve , Dale etc . The Vin tag. Trim tag interior and exterior. Since Joel Rosen is in poor health he is not interested in authenticated any cars. There are posts on Face Book with these letters. All this information and approximately 100 pictures will be with the car at Barrett. thanks

Great news. That is a good and accurate presentation of the car's provenance that totally fits the legal and contractual requirements of the auction house.

Does Billy Mitchel recall if the add-ons were done before the car was delivered to the original owner or at a later date?

I had a chance to see the car and the portfolio of documents he had put together at the Camaro Nationals. He really researched and investigated the origins of the car from original owner to present.... GLWA

Exactly.

A bidder is going to want to know when the work was done as the parts used are normally associated with a later timeframe motion build.

As far as the information that I researched ;; First you went to Baldwin and ordered the car ; Then went to Motion and picked out the items that you wanted changed on the car then Motion would change these items and send the Motion invoice to Baldwin Chevrolet the customer would pay Baldwin for the final invoice. The modifications done on the Camaro were done at Motion ( as crude as they were per Billy !!!!!!!!)

It's an awesome car. I hope it does well at auction.

Man, that Camaro is the shiz. Best of luck at the auction, someone's getting a killer '68.

Yes, that's one scenario. Alternatively, you could buy the car at Baldwin (or any other dealer) and have it converted by Motion.

this is one of the coolest looking camaros I have seen. And likely one of the most fun. Looking out over a black stinger hood has to be a feeling only the lucky get.

Everything about the car is perfect. There is only one thing that I would have to change is that chrome door edge guard. That I could not live with. I hold my finger up on the screen to cover it up and the car looks so much better (to me).

Other than that, perfection! Good luck with sale, it would be hard to see go if mine.

What a great car! This has to be one of my favorite Camaros I've seen online.

GLWA

Well - CRAIG sure likes this car!

Jerry MacNeish just posted on Facebook this Motion prepared 427 Camaro is an over the top all original car, way up there on the cool-o-meter.

I think there are going to be a lot of people take notice of this one.

Agreed.

I am still wondering when in this car’s lifespan did Motion do the work?

If finned valve covers and a fly-eye were used on this car in 1967 that would make this car historic indeed.

Why not just say exactly that in the vehicle description then?

Auction description of the car now says that the 427 was installed by Motion prior to sale by Baldwin Chevrolet.

I hope there's paperwork.

Yes indeed.

An evolving description of a car’s formal sale detail is rather unique as in that once submittal has happened it usually does not Change. But with that said I hope the buyer is very happy with his new acquisition.

Would the engine installed by Motion, have been coded for a car or have been a "CE," engine?

I believe the "ID" code is for a 427/425 in a big car...correct?

I was always under the impression the engines were bought through Baldwin and would have been "over the counter," engines.

Just asking to learn

Correct.

The 425 HP L-71 and L-72 part numbers typically have specified by Motion were:

3919907 L-71
3919837 L-72

The back cover accurately dates the publication of origin.

We've seen a passenger high performance coded engine in another Motion Camaro. Remember - many of these cars started out as small blocks. So, they needed a complete long block for conversion.

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Other than the CE Suffix ‘57 Production 265’s, didn’t long-block CE’s sold over counter first appear sometime in ‘68 and Assembly Suffix engines like ‘ID’ L72’s as above example what was supplied before then, often later too?
Obviously, many specific Assembly engines sold over counter are much in demand today w/ Factory Build/Suffix Stampings and NO VIN, especially certain dates.
To clarify, ‘68 and later CE’s sold over counter = Chevrolet Engine, NOT Counter Exchange or Counter Engine etc.
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~ Pete

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This car has the original coded 4.56 rear end it was built by GM with. Could you get that rear end with a small block?

The description change done was with respect to cowl tag date and mileage only. You are limited in the number of words you can include.

No offense but without a partial vin or a pop, paperwork etc it’s hard to make a comment like that as gospel. If there is docs or anything of that nature I won’t say another word but to date nothing has been presented.


Not crapping on the car either. Just voicing an opinion.

It has a BB heater box from looking at the pictures. I'd suspect it was originally a L78 car based on the rear gear...but easiest way to tell would be the fuel line.

I love the car! Just surprised after thinking about it that it has a big car L72 in it...when I always thought the over-the-counter engines would not have had a production line suffix code for the engine.

I guess I'm just curious if this is common when long block engines were replaced say under warranty. If not where did Motion get their engines from then?

Wouldn't those part numbers for engines referenced in an earlier post be "CE" coded?

No offense taken, I simply ask what 68 camaro could you could get a 4.56 gear from the factory? Sorry maybe I did not ask but forget the car, what was a factory 4.56 available in?

One of the key features that made the BM program a financial success was selling the takeout 396-375 hp short block from the converted cars. These short blocks were sold through the Baldwin parts department. Joel himself discussed this at one of the SCR's that I attended.

The majority of BM cars pre 1970 were factory BB, but certainly some SB cars were converted, but those would be in the minority.