Anyone see this crap??????
 

Nevada Looking To Close Classic Car Loophole
https://autos.yahoo.com/nevada-looki...180000496.html

What's next on the agenda? This is ridiculous.

Rich

Absolutely. I have been trying to make the participants here on this board aware of the "PLAN" since 2016....

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=136111

All they have to do is institute a cutoff - like 1980 to qualify as a "classic car."

Calling a 2000 Camry a classic car is BS.

Funny! I had a 55-57 club guy tell me the same thing about my 1970 Z-28 when I started entering it in Vintage Chevrolet Club events in 1996.

It is all perspective. Of course once the car is obsolete and out of production it is technically a classic.

But... once you starting tinkering with the rules the so called "RULES" WILL be retroactively applied.

Unfortunately, I think this is inevitable in most, if not all, states. What they really need to do is better define what a classic car is. Just because a car is twenty years or older should not define it as a classic. I have a friend with a daily driver 2000 Buick 4dr that he got from his grandfather. Not a classic IMO.

"In general, though a classic is any vehicle older than 15 years while an antique is more than 25 years old."

I am not so sure they can do it by date of manufacture. What about all those classics that have had newer motor transplants in them?

Interesting Reading from a year ago, this is how it is done:

https://www.motorious.com/articles/n...s-on-classics/

According to the Nevada article, I have a much better idea. Maybe the legislators can focus on helping low income and minority communities by aggressively combating homicides and crimes in those areas rather than worry about what vehicle fumes individuals in those communities are breathing.

Rich

hmmm.....I guess anyone who has had a heart transplant would have to change their ID to date of the donor.

This action is so typical bureaucratic government. Start out with a good concept (less pollution where the less fortunate live - who wouldn't want that?) that gets morphed by hapless policies and actions that end up doing the complete opposite of their original intention (or worse) through unintended consequences.

I've worked with government regulation every day for the last 25 years, and I see it happen all the time, especially with regulations like the Dodd-Frank Act. It's the sad nature of the governmental beast.

Any idea how cars with manufacturers available performance parts or wheels would be handled; Shelby's for instance? That may not be a good example since they didn't actually leave the factory with those pieces. But there are other cars and parts that could fit the description. Like a person that adds a cowl induction hood to his 1969 Camaro?

And yet just recently, due to the efforts of SEMA, it is now legal for small auto shops to create modern turn-key muscle cars using an engine that will pass current smog regulations.

We have 33 counties here in NM. Only one - where Albuquerque is located - requires all cars to pass a smog test to qualify for registration. No counties require any car to be inspected.

I suspect you are framing the discussion as a negotiation. That is a mistake. These people must be taken at their word because they mean business.

Looking at the end game I suspect that the plan is to run the clock out on owners of these cars and then move to accomplish banning operation altogether. City's will be first.

In advance, however there is a pressing need need to get gas prices to $6.00 a gallon, (quickly) because at that point electric cars reach a competitive point to ICE.

Then instead of discussions to "phase out" the discussion will jump quickly right to "prohibit operation", and there are several ways to accomplish this.

Recall when POTUS 44 said well in the future "you can build a coal fired electric generating Plant-but you will go bankrupt trying to operate it"

So in the not too distant future I see:

Well Look you can own a collector car and drive it IF it passes our strict emission tests AND you pay the carbon surcharge per mile driven, AND allow for tracking of its operation to verify that it does not exceed the agreed mileage limitation. Purchase of Gasoline will be strictly controlled by this time and VERY expensive. If you exceed the mileage limitation additional gasoline purchases will be restricted. All Legal. We rationed gas during WW2 and some future National emergency declaration along the lines of a "Climate Emergency" will do the trick.

So you can keep your car you will just not be able to afford to operate it in a meaningful way.

Here is the screen shot of the op-ed piece that follows:

https://blog.oup.com/2020/03/governm...ning-old-cars/

You know what I wonder? What octane is moonshine? And can I fill up my car with it?

Indiana requires vehicles have to be 25 years old to get historic vehicle plates. That means my 2000 LeSabre won't qualify till 2025.

I'm totally bummed out about that. :thumbsdown:

The people making these types of laws are the same people that are taking private jets to pick up their climate change awards.

You get what you vote for.

If I recall correctly the global warming scamsters predicted back in 2000 that snowfall would soon end. Later the goal posts got moved again and Al Gore did a movie in 2006 named "Inconvenient Truth" where he stated for the record that the planet only had "10 years to go".

This is not political. All the evidence clearly shows it is a scam.

So here we are in 2021 and POTUS just declared TEXAS a disaster area due to snow fall and the temps are forecast to be below zero tonight in Northern Texas.

As much as I hate the phrase "It is what it is" the applicability to the recent decades long climate hysteria is as plain as a fake stamp on an engine block.

Yep.

It's about money, power and control.

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.

Possible trial balloon to see if there is push back. They will go as far as they can until someone stops them. That's what they do. The stroke of a pen and the EPA could write a regulation to tax our old cars so much we would have to junk them. gary

As far as taxing cars, it should be the electric car owners who should be worried. ICE cars pay Federal and State sales tax when they gas up. ICE cars pay neither.

Yes, they will tax them to eliminate them. That one plan for guns. Tax ammo to the max.

It has been pointed out to me by another member that my analysis of the situation above was lacking in facts and details, so I will apologize and supplement the information presented.

The scamsters actually began the operational part of climate attack campaign
way back in 1989, and just like Gore later in 2006 we only had "10 years" then too.:naughty:

Basically this. And clickbait. And a slow news week. Stirring up emotions is what sells things. "If it bleeds it leads" is a standard news slogan. "Scary" is used many times during the evening news--it could be a drinking game: Every time a national news anchor or reporter says "scary" you down a shot. You'd be smashed in ten minutes.

UNITED STATES GASOLINE PHASEOUT STATUS:

Federal:

In October 2020, US Senator Jeff Merkley (D-OR) and Rep Mike Levin (D-CA-49) introduced the federal Zero Emission Vehicles Act of 2020. This bill would require that 50% of all new passenger vehicles sold in 2025 in the US are ZEVs. The requirement would ramp up 5% each year, to 100% of new vehicle sales by 2035. The bills are co-sponsored by Senators Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI), Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), Bernie Sanders (I-VT), and Cory Booker (D-NJ) in the Senate, and Representatives Joe Neguse (D-CO-1), Earl Blumenauer (D-OR-3), Lisa Blunt Rochester (D-DE-At Large), Suzanne Bonamici (D-OR-1), Julia Brownley (D-CA-26), Judy Chu (D-CA-27), Emanuel Cleaver, II (D-MO-5), Mark DeSaulnier (D-CA-11), Anna G. Eshoo (D-CA-18), Jared Huffman (D-CA-2), Pramila Jayapal (D-WA-7), Barbara Lee (D-CA-13), Alan Lowenthal (D-CA-47), Jerry Nadler (D-NY-10), and Chellie Pingree (D-ME-1) in the House.

AND:

In October 2019, Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) proposed a plan to replace every gasoline powered car on the road with an electric one by 2040.



They are planning to move EL-QUICKO.

How are you going to make this up?

Introducing a bill and passing the bill are two VERY different things. Then we come to actually enacting the bill. Yet another huge hurdle.

Stuff like this has been going on since what, the early '70s?

If we were to actually use logic, we would be fully endorsing hybrid technology. Use the existing fossil fuels along with electric until we could slowly transition to more EVs if they are found to be, indeed, better for the environment and nature. But, politics and logic seem to be polar opposites.

The latest scamster :D

Logic has little to do with it at this point or better point would be who's logic?

The standard of living here in the US is the envy of the world and apparently we must be cut down to size to match the global model established by the "Plan". the PLAN is implementation of UN agenda 2030 - worldwide.

Do you Like frozen windmills? Perhaps rolling blackouts that were once found only in California? We have both right now today in Texas and across 8 states.

That is what the future holds and it is happening right in front of our eyes as our standard of living is chopped down to size for all to see.

EV's during the winter... how do we charge them when the power is subject to rolling black outs when the power will not reliably stay on in homes?

These are the kinds of questions that need to be asked and now.

What is happening in Texas is totally unique. We have three power grids in the USA: East, West and Texas. And the TX grid stands on it's own. It can't import or export power like the East and West can.

if Global Warming is what we are scared of, how did a polar vortex affect so many states?

Switching from fossil fuels to alternative power is a good idea. No question. unfortunately it's politicians who are driving this conversion instead of scientists, engineers, etc.

There is an old adage:

Beware of keeping your eyes so firmly on a goal that you trip over an obstacle and fall face first into a pile of dog crap.

Lee,

Agreed, So lets open our eyes then:

Under POTUS 44 (OBAMA) The state of Texas shut down over 100 coal fired power plants (thermals)

Solar was then heavily subsidized by the US government and became popular along with wind turbines. The money to pay for this spending was additional debt spending.

SO with the solar panels covered with ice and snow and the turbines frozen there is no power for 40% of TEXAS.

WHY: Mandated compliance with UN Agenda 2021 and as revised to Agenda 2030.