L89 '69 Camaro on ACM
 

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Anyone know anything of the L89 posted on All Chevy Muscle?
VIN looks like it may be N675023 ?:hmmm:
https://m.facebook.com/groups/AllChe...composer=false
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heartbeat city owner i think

Is it legit?

He sells great stuff!!!

I visited a couple years ago and he has all the NOS you could ever want!!

Ryan W31

Yes

He's had the car for 25+ years, fwiw.

Do you know if the car has paperwork Kurt?

I don't know of any paperwork.
124379N575023

Stubbings has some highly desirable stuff, but his prices are crazy. He has an LS6 basket case that he wanted 80k for. Supposedly all the original drive train was included, but it needed a LOT of work on the body to restore. His web site claims he sent it out for restoration. Be interesting to see the price on that, when done.
He also has a couple highly optioned '67 ss/rs basket cases that the prices are quite high for the condition.


He has gotten some of my money for Camaro parts. He had a decent sale around Halloween with 20% off all the parts I needed to complete the traction bar on my Camaro. In the past, only some of the pieces were on sale, so I waited. Saved about $120 from the list prices..:smile:

He is a real person and you have to put a price on stuff. I imagine if you wanted a few items and pick up the phone things would change a bit. Everyone wants a deal, if you start at the rock bottom than happy buyers would be few and far between.

Jason

Please fill out your profile.... like 99.999% of us I don’t have a dog in this fight.... but you seem to have a hard on for him. If you are truly from Cincinnati I think I know who you are. if you have positive information please feel free to share it but being negative gets all of us nowhere. JMO

I saw the car in person last week. It is a 100% legit survivor L89 car. The car looks great in the pictures, but present a lot better in person.

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More info + multi pics here...
http://www.heartbeatcity.net/forsale...amaro-L89.html
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Updated post;

SURVIVOR 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396-375 hp L-89 Aluminum Head car, 4-Sp 4.10 26,110 Original miles Survivor. Fathom Green Original Paint.

Heartbeat City is pleased to offer this extremely rare survivor unrestored Fathom Green 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396-375 HP L-89 Aluminum head car with 26,110 original miles. This Camaro has the original JJ coded 396-375 HP Aluminum head engine, Original Muncie M-21 4 Speed transmission, and Original 4.10 BV rear axle assembly. All of which are the very same drive train that General Motors installed in the car at the Norwood Ohio factory assembly plant in January of 1969.



Factory Options: 1969 Camaro all original SS 396-375 hp, L-89 Aluminum heads, 4 speed Muncie Close ratio transmission, 4.10 BV coded Posi traction rear end, Standard black interior, fast ratio steering, front & rear spoiler package, heavy duty 4 core Harrison radiator, console with gauges, dash mounted 6000/7000 tachometer, center dash mounted clock, and Rally wheels.


Engine: The original engine pad stamping T1221JJ and original VIN number 19N575023 is still intact on the side of the engine block. The very last pictures in this auction show close up views of the engine VIN and Transmission VIN. This is not a re-stamped or bogus engine in any way shape or form. Please see the paragraph below for our letter of authenticity.



Transmission: The M-21 Close Ratio transmission is the original Muncie that General Motors installed in the car at the factory in 1969. The production date on the side of the transmission is P9T28. This indicates the transmission was assembled on December 28th, 1969.



Rear Axle: The original 4.10 BV coded rear axle is still in the car and has never been removed to my knowledge. The casting date on the housing is A-3-9. This means the housing was casted on January 3rd 1969. The assembly date is BV0108G1 E. The assembly date stamping means the rear axle was assembled on January 8th 1969 and the BV indicates a 4.10 Posiwas installed. The G stands for Gear and Axle Plant. The “E” indicates Eaton for the positraction unit. Please see pictures for a close up view of the axle production date.



Body & Sheet metal: All body panels are genuine GM original parts. The floor pan, trunk pan, and rocker panels are all original GM and have not been replaced or patched. No sheet metal or body panels have ever been removed or replaced on this car.



Interior: The Standard black interior in this car is the original front and rear standard black seat covers, Original front & rear door panels, and all trim are original. The seat foams and seat backs are original and nice. Please see all pictures of the interior. The steering wheel in crack free and still retains all of the original pebble grain on the edge of the wheel. The carpet was replaced a few years back.



Suspension: This Camaro still has all of the original front and rear suspension parts from the sub-frame bushings to the leaf springs. Nothing has been altered or changed in any way except the shock absorbers have been changed to none spiral shocks at one point in the car's life.



Factory Original Components with date codes: I have taken the time to note each and every component on this ultra rare Camaro. Below is the entire list of each and every component and their respective date codes. I think it would be very difficult to locate such a Camaro in this original condition.

Dated Original Components

Engine block casting #3955272

Engine block pad build date T1221JJ

RH Cylinder head casting number #3919842 Dated November 1968

LH Cylinder head casting number #3919842 Dated November 1968

RH Exhaust manifold casting #3916178 Dated L-21-8

LH Exhaust manifold casting #3909879 Dated L-20-8

Intake manifold casting #3933163 Didn't remove to get the date code

Carburetor list #R-4346 Dated 8A3 8= 1968 A=December 3=third week

Carburetor GM #3959164GE (restored, re-colored, rebuilt, and re-installed)

Alternator #1100837 8L23 Rebuilt and restored by John Pirkle

Starter 1108418 Date code A-2-9

Distributor #1111499 Date code 8L8

Ignition coil original #293 embossed

Radiator dated H original Harrison 4 core curve neck

Horn relay #1115890

Voltage regulator 1119515 Date 8K

Oil dipstick: original to the car with yellow tip and flat handle

Master cylinder casting #5468309 Date code 340th day

Brake booster 9204 Date code 356th day

Wiper motor original

Manual steering gear box (manual) Dated 356th day

Transmission main case casting #3925660

Transmission tail shaft housing #584

Transmission build or production date P9T28

P=Muncie, 9=year 1969, T=December, 28= Day of month 28th

Transmission VIN number 19N575023

Bell housing casting #3899621

Flywheel casting #3789733 Dated K-18-9

Rear axle casting date A-3-9

Rear axle build date BV0108G1

BV=4.10 Positraction

0108= January 8th

G= Gear and Axle plant

1= 1st shift

Smog pump build date 305-8

Smog pump diverter valve #29199

Smog pump pulley Original GM #3932458DA

Smog system hose #3940937 new have original used hose

Smog pump hose #3909940 new have original used hose

Smog check valves 5361992 x 2 restored and replated

Smog tubes are mint original used with no damage

Smog pump hose clamps are all original and dated 3Q/68

Fuel pump Replaced

Crankshaft pulley original GM deep groove #3955291AB

Water pump pulley original GM deep groove #3927824BV

Alternator pulley #1970831

Water pump casting #3931065 Date K-15-8

Valve cover RH mint Re chromed original

Valve cover LH mint Re chromed original

Thermostat casting #3877660

Fan blade #3947772 Dated December 1968

Fan clutch #3946049 original to the car

Radiator cap RC-15 restored original 69

Air cleaner assembly: original with silk screen still intact

Front disc brakes: all original with thick two piece rotors calipers (never apart)

Rear leaf springs: Original 5 leaf springs

Dated original windshield dated XV clear glass (never removed from car)

RH side glass dated CX clear glass

LH side glass dated XV clear glass

RH quarter window dated XV clear glass

LH quarter window dated CX clear glass

Rear windshield dated XA clear glass

Steering wheel: standard black with no cracks or damage Still has original pebble grain rim

AM Radio: NOS

Dash speaker has been re coned and installed

Front bucket seats nice original with no damage.

Rear seats nice original with no damage

Front door panels: mint originals

Rear side panels: mint originals

Headliner: mint original no damage

Sill plates: original riveted sill plates

Driver side outside mirror: nice original dated 11-8

Seat belts: all dated originals

LH retractor dated 51-A-68

RH retractor dated 49-A-68

Inside driver side buckles dated 51-A-68 & 49-A-68

Inside passenger side buckles dated 49-A-68 & 49-A-68

LH shoulder belt dated 49-A-68

RH shoulder belt dated 49-A-68

Rear seat belt RH dated 49-A-68

Rear seat belt center dated 51-A-68

Rear seat belt LH dated 49-A-68

Headrest RH mint

Headrest LH mint

Tachometer: 6000/7000 mint original and working perfectly

In dash clock: mint original and working

Console with gauges: mint original and all gauges work properly

Hurst shifter original rebuilt, restored, and installed

Hurst shifter handle original re-chromed with #5325

Hurst original shifter rods & levers: original true BB shifter rods

Original T-3 headlamps: mint and still working in car, original to car

Original dated jack 8K, base, tire iron, rubber straps, U69 base & jaw

Note: At this time there is no spare wheel or tire for the car.



History:

I found this Camaro in Novi Michigan back in 1994. One of my friends told me about the car. I waited all week to go view the car. Needless to say, I was stunned to find such a rare car in this condition. It is not often that you find a car this rare and this original. I checked every casting number, casting date, and every code. The only components I couldn't solve were the wheels. None of the wheels on the car are dated or coded for this car. I suspect the original wheels were the XT stamped steel base wheel. I never thought to ask any of the previous owners about the wheels that would have come on the car from the factory. In 1994 I wrote to the State of Michigan department of motor vehicles. At that time, they would furnish you with all the previous owners, titles, and registrations both front and back, and ownership history. The owner history is intact and will be provided to the purchaser. I still have the receipt for all the history, and certifications from the State of Michigan. Due to the Privacy Act, we can no longer obtain such information. I have all of it for this car.



Letter of Authenticity:

This 1969 Chevrolet Camaro Vehicle number 124379N575023 is an original 1969 body manufactured by General Motors Corporation in 1969. This is an authentic 1969 Chevrolet SS 396-375 HP L-89 Aluminum head car. I have not in any way altered any the VIN numbers, The Trim Plate (Paint Tag) and I do not have any knowledge whatsoever of any re-stamped parts or the re-stamping of any VIN numbers on the engine or transmission. I state that the engine and transmission is the original engine and transmission General Motors installed in this 1969 Chevrolet Camaro in the year 1969.

I further agree that no alterations have been made to this Camaro’s body with regards to changing any identification numbers or manufacturer’s codes.



Signed by seller________________________ Date_________________



Should you have any further questions about this Camaro, please do not hesitate to contact me via phone 586-226-8811 or my personal email [email protected]



Price: $139,995.00

It looks like a great legit car at a fair price. I have been looking at the listing for the past week and a half. If my wife were out of town, I'd be very tempted to pull the trigger and deal with the fallout.

Very nice original Camaro, I wish I had the funds to buy it.

Can someone explain the trunk pictures to me. It appears to me that there is trunk splatter paint on the truck lid hinge support bracket(s) but it then just stops and then there is no splatter paint in the rest of the trunk area. Is this something the GM factory would do?

That would work, until she took the car in the divorce...:laugh:
I've bought a few project cars under 5k with the "better to ask forgiveness than permission" program but $140,000..:eek2:

That is an anomaly to only have so little spatter in the trunk. Having worked an assembly line, there is only a given amount of time the vehicle is in your "station" to get everything you are assigned done. Either the spray gun ran out of spatter, and there wasn't time to get it spraying after a drum change or the installer ran out of time.

Aren´t you still dealing with the fallout from the 67? Brave man...:laugh:

Wow what a beautiful car. I wouldn’t touch a thing on it. Leave it alone.
I’m going to win the lottery tomorrow then I can buy it. Lol

----Has anybody brought up the rust issues?.....Bill S

You mean patina...:smirk:

Looks like the trunk has been repainted.
Same with the underside of the hood.

I was thinking the same on the trunk Kurt

It was pretty obvious, look at the side marker light. Certainly typical spray bomb painting used to prevent rust.

I remember an original paint fathom green 69 L89 which had rust holes in the quarters and if not mistaken the fenders as well...
I am under the assumption that these are two different fathom green L89's, especially after seeing that the ad specifically states that it wears original panels and they haven't been patched.

The trans stamp is hard to see but shouldn't the P9T28 stamp have a "B" at the end for M21?
Thanks, Doc.

Yes it should

I've seen stampings like that are close to the raised area cause the letter to be distorted, I bet a better picture might show part of the missing letter.

I've seen stampings like that are close to the raised area cause the letter to be distorted. I bet a better picture might show part of the missing letter.

I bought a lot of nos parts for my 68 L89 several years ago. Also traded him some that I had accumulated over the years. Talked with Jim several times on rest info.. Always treated me right. He had the car a long time.

Yeah in the picture shown, it almost looks like one side of a capital A