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69hurstSC 05-06-2018 05:52 PM

Outrageous Claim or Legit Car?
 
https://www.facebook.com/patrick.nic...39893396141738

PLATINUM6BBL 05-06-2018 06:21 PM

I have trouble with the claim. Auto & SS badging are a start. Could it be to boast it for more $$ when flipped?

BCreekDave 05-06-2018 07:36 PM

The whole "unconverted" thing is interesting. Is there some docs from Don Yenko that says something like "I meant to convert this car, but didn't due to...?" Otherwise, its like an L78 Nova that just sold out of Yenko's dealership. Nice car, but nothing super exceptional. Is it rare (=valuable) for what WASN'T done to it?
Are there any "double conversion" cars out there? L78 to L72 to L48 or similar? Would that be more valuable than if they stopped at the L72? If you can imagine it, its out there and the docs will follow.

olredalert 05-06-2018 08:01 PM

---- I agree with this guys contention that a 396/375 Nova delivered to Yenko is probably worth more than the same car delivered to any other dealer, but how much more is the question!.......Bill S

PxTx 05-06-2018 09:48 PM

I'm pretty sure I've read thay the regular Yenko Chevy dealership had a separate and different inventory than the cars brought in through the sYc books. So if they can document that this Nova was ordered through the sYc, it certainly wold validate some.of the statements.

It is more likely to be just a Nova sold through the Yenko Chevrolet- which certainly is cool and I would agre with those above- thay alone still is a value adder.

It will be interesting to follow what happens with this!

69hurstSC 05-06-2018 10:08 PM

The thing I find interesting is there is this void of 5-6 non 427 converted cars. Some have been validated and they appear on this site and have a VIN attributed to them. But what about the remaining and unaccounted for non 427 converted cars? Before you know it we'll have 15 people claiming their 396/375 Yenko sold SS is a "non converted" car, and part of the 37 slated for conversion.

This guy is going to need A LOT more data than "I said so".

Lee Stewart 05-07-2018 12:25 AM

I can't understand why an L78 Nova SS sold by Yenko Chevrolet would have a greater value (all things being equal of course) than the same car sold by Rupp Chevrolet . . . or any other Chevrolet dealership. Did Don Yenko personally test drive each car his dealership sold? Was his name on every sales document as the salesman who actually sold the car? Did Yenko Chevrolet do something special during the dealer prep of their cars?

What is this fixation with any car sold by Yenko Chevrolet?

Pusher_Man 05-07-2018 12:58 AM

Supply and demand dictates everything. I would imagine a Yenko sold hipo car would bring more than an identical car sold from a much less known dealer. The Yenko name brings a lot of attention.

Lee Stewart 05-07-2018 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pusher_Man (Post 1399982)
Supply and demand dictates everything. I would imagine a Yenko sold hipo car would bring more than an identical car sold from a much less known dealer. The Yenko name brings a lot of attention.

Sure . . . for the Super Cars he built and sold. THAT I understand. But any other car?

It's like Baldwin Motion cars. Those that Joel Rosen worked on should have a high value. But a car sold by Baldwin Chevrolet? IMO - nope. The selling dealership of a factory stock car should have no intrinsic value whatsoever. And if it does than there is something wrong. It sounds like, to me, it's a way for people to artificially inflate the value of their car. Like those Marti Reports that boil the options down to show that the car in question is unique - a 1 of 1.

Oh . . . did I just "kick the puppy?"

camarojoe 05-07-2018 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Pusher_Man (Post 1399982)
Supply and demand dictates everything. I would imagine a Yenko sold hipo car would bring more than an identical car sold from a much less known dealer. The Yenko name brings a lot of attention.

Exactly. In fact, there were 50 Yenko Deuces that never even saw Canonsburg, PA... let alone the hands of Don Yenko, and they're worth no less than any other Deuce. I believe any car with legit ties to Yenko still holds the Yenko "mystique" and additional desirability...more so than the same car sold through some random unknown dealer.

442w30 05-07-2018 03:44 AM

Mopar people will pay more for a hi-po car sold from Grand Spaulding. I can see people paying more for a performance car sold at Yenko, but I wouldn't –*to me, it's all about the pedigree of the car from the factory, not the dealership. But I am not throwing money around so it's up to another enthusiast/sucker.

Here's a question, though: Why couldn't one of the 37, converted or otherwise, be an automatic? An L78 could be ordered with TH400, and a COPO Camaro could too, so just because none of the documented Yenko Nova have an auto doesn't mean this couldn't....right?

olredalert 05-07-2018 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart (Post 1399957)
I can't understand why an L78 Nova SS sold by Yenko Chevrolet would have a greater value (all things being equal of course) than the same car sold by Rupp Chevrolet . . . or any other Chevrolet dealership. Did Don Yenko personally test drive each car his dealership sold? Was his name on every sales document as the salesman who actually sold the car? Did Yenko Chevrolet do something special during the dealer prep of their cars?

What is this fixation with any car sold by Yenko Chevrolet?

----Eye of the beholder, Lee!

69hurstSC 05-07-2018 11:54 AM

We're drifting away from the main post which is real or not real. All I see here is an L78 Nova that was brought back to Yenko and offered to have an engine upgrade.

camarojoe 05-07-2018 12:11 PM

Show me paperwork through Yenko Sportscars Inc. If it was to be converted that VIN would be on a list with the others. Just because there were 37 Novas slated to be conversions, what's to say Yenko Chevrolet didn't order 37 MORE Novas that were sold off the lot, with no intent to modify them in any way?

Markyodb2 05-07-2018 12:39 PM

After watching the video interesting to know power steering could have been a option on L78 cars. None the less its a cool L78. original block or not.

69hurstSC 05-07-2018 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by camarojoe (Post 1400027)
Show me paperwork through Yenko Sportscars Inc. If it was to be converted that VIN would be on a list with the others. Just because there were 37 Novas slated to be conversions, what's to say Yenko Chevrolet didn't order 37 MORE Novas that were sold off the lot, with no intent to modify them in any way?

Agreed. The person in the video also claimed that there were only 37 L78 cars that Yenko sold. So this HAS to be one of the unconverted cars.

camarojoe 05-07-2018 01:45 PM

There is no proof Yenko only ordered 37 L78 cars, only that 37 were planned to be converted.

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY 05-07-2018 02:27 PM

All of my opposing comments on FB were deleted along with the video - must have been my final statement that he should expect constructive skepticism based on his claims, and my responses are but the tip of the iceberg!!! Poof - and its all gone! That says volumes....

DEUCE 05-07-2018 02:40 PM

Yenko L-78
 
This Nova is nothing more than a L-78 sold by Yenko Chevrolet. There are no docs pertaining to Yenko Sports Cars Inc. This Nova is not on the list. We must remember Yenko sold Chevrolets, lots of them, Camaros, Novas, Chevelles, Impalas, and Thrucks, etc.

Mike

camarojoe 05-07-2018 03:08 PM

Exactly.

SeattleCarGuy 05-07-2018 03:44 PM

Here is my $.02, and its only that.

Personally, I would probably pay up to 10% more for an L78 Nova sold at Yenko Chevrolet than an L78 sold elsewhere, for instance, mine was sold at Les Stanford Chevrolet in Dearborn. I think the cool aura of having a high performance car sold by Yenko Chev is worth 10%, at least to me it is. A non-high performance car sold at Yenko, I could care less about.

However, since it has a CE block, I would deduct 10% personally, so its back to just market value for a '69 L78 Nova in need of a full restoration.

Cool car and the L78 Nova is the only musclecar that I prefer an Automatic in over a 4 speed.

DW31S 05-07-2018 04:43 PM

With the VIN not on the list, the build time not consistent and other things that were pointed out, it sounds to me like the new owner is wearing some rosy glasses. As for the dealership asking the original owner to upgrade? I’d be more surprised if they DIDN’T try to sell him on the 427 swap. After all, that was a profit builder for the dealership’s sales and service dept. Then the service department tried again...no shock here either. Looks better to the GM rep if you sold the customer a shortblock rather than do one under warranty.
Nobody likes rare finds more than me, and as it is, it’s a very cool car, but until bulletproof docs can be found/viewed/scrutinized, I think the new owner is bold in his claims.

Tenney 05-07-2018 04:53 PM

Saw a pair of unconverted Persol's that once belonged to Steve McQueen sell for 70K at an auction at the Pete a while back.

302moz 05-07-2018 05:03 PM

Nova
 
Sure looks like a cool car .I am confused about the 68 Yenko Camaros also non converted. So to me it’s just an l78 . Correct? Thanks

Mr70 05-07-2018 05:12 PM

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Thanks for bringing this to our attention Wes.
Personally I would've done a heck of a lot more research before displaying it to the world so soon & the way he did.
He sure is defensive on Fbook this morning,and has deleted the majority of the last two days comments that went against anything near what he wants to believe.Marlin & others were very cordial & professional,yet now their comments are gone.
It's a nice 1969 L-78 Rally Green Nova with a CE block,TH400 & 3.55 rear,but he sure refuses to see even that.
He's too close to this car as he did just buy it and can't see the forest for the trees.

VIN 11427W429738

Steve Shauger 05-07-2018 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 302moz (Post 1400055)
Sure looks like a cool car .I am confused about the 68 Yenko Camaros also non converted. So to me it’s just an l78 . Correct? Thanks

I haven't followed anything on facebook, but to answer your question if the 68 Camaro is 9737 copo, but unconverted there's a high premium for that car.

Like previously posted, if a car is a hi-perf, and sold at Yenko there's a premium. The premium is ultimately determined by the buyer and what they are willing to pay...above and beyond.....

camarojoe 05-07-2018 06:49 PM

At least here he can't delete every comment that goes against his agenda.

Tracker1 05-07-2018 08:26 PM

All I can say is that Matthew McConaughey guy finds some cool cars.

9566 BA 05-07-2018 09:38 PM

there's a song :What a fool believes he sees

SS427 05-07-2018 09:38 PM

He doesn't find most of them, the owners or owners friends often time contact him though he does write some good and interesting stories. He is a good writer/videographer and makes what might otherwise be a boring read much more interesting though sometimes they are a little stretched and not completely factual (black LS6). Likely in the interest of selling magazines articles or the car itself so I can understand. I have known about some of the cars he 'found' and knew about them years before he 'found' them. I guess it could be like my recent Yenko 'find'. I thought I was the only one to see the car in many years when in fact there were several people who had laid eyes on it in recent years.

He is also a member here and has been since 2010.

Late BrakeU2 05-07-2018 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenney (Post 1400054)
Saw a pair of unconverted Persol's that once belonged to Steve McQueen sell for 70K at an auction at the Pete a while back.

Phone bidder from Japan,also paid 45k for that Stetson with his DNA too..

Tenney 05-08-2018 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Late BrakeU2 (Post 1400088)
Phone bidder from Japan,also paid 45k for that Stetson with his DNA too..

Wonder if a 917 used in the movie Le Mans might value higher than a 917 that won Le Mans (not shopping/still saving) ...

Late BrakeU2 05-08-2018 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenney (Post 1400171)
Wonder if a 917 used in the movie Le Mans might value higher than a 917 that won Le Mans (not shopping/still saving) ...

If this is any indication..note the Mulholland option..and yes the Yenko dealership does add value IMO.
http://autoweek.com/article/auctions...illion-auction

Stefano 05-08-2018 04:59 PM

What a Kool L78 Nova. Of course it has "extra" desirability and marketability because of its direct connection to Don Yenko and Yenko Chevrolet.

I'd have very little interest in this car if it had been sold out of some obscure dealership, but with the Yenko connection......I wouldn't mind having and restoring it. Not everyone can afford a $xxx,xxx.00 L72 Yenko Super Car. The documentation and fact this it was in the custody of the original owner up to this point adds value too.

I for one would very much like to see the car as pulled out of the garage and talk to the original owner at MCACN X. I hope Bashton extends an invite!

smallblockhero 05-08-2018 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DW31S (Post 1400052)
Nobody likes rare finds more than me, and as it is, it’s a very cool car, but until bulletproof docs can be found/viewed/scrutinized, I think the new owner is bold in his claims.

I said exactly what you said to him. I told him I wanted to be convinced this car was special ..even more so then it already is .i don't think bold covers his position on the car. his bravado is amusing. I told him id never heard of him and asked what his credentials are since he claimed he knew how to properly document the car. he got upset when I noted that an original owner car with all the paperwork is not the hardest thing to document. he just wanted to repeatedly claim he set the "yenko car world" on its ear and that everybody is just hating from their couch. no one bashed the car..only the term he was applying to it. the car speaks for itself as a legit L-78 one owner car. I just couldn't wrap my head around his arrogance regarding it.

Schonyenko2 05-08-2018 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefano (Post 1400189)
What a Kool L78 Nova. Of course it has "extra" desirability and marketability because of its direct connection to Don Yenko and Yenko Chevrolet.

I'd have very little interest in this car if it had been sold out of some obscure dealership, but with the Yenko connection......I wouldn't mind having and restoring it. Not everyone can afford a $xxx,xxx.00 L72 Yenko Super Car. The documentation and fact this it was in the custody of the original owner up to this point adds value too.

I for one would very much like to see the car as pulled out of the garage and talk to the original owner at MCACN X. I hope Bashton extends an invite!

I agree. We finished up a Nickey sold L35 69SS 396 Chevelle for a local (big) farmer. People think it's pretty cool that it was sold by Nickey. Especially the old timers who remember the cool ads on WLS.

ban617 05-09-2018 02:28 AM

Did anyone watch the video with the original owner ? Seemed like the interviewer was leading the owner to say that it was to be converted ....The original owner also said the engine was using oil & changed under warranty...

TMagda 05-09-2018 03:33 AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Chevro...gAAOSw7j5a75hT

I like this one better. 4 speed...

NovaMob03 05-09-2018 01:03 PM

What's the difference between this RG Yenko sold Nova and the NFM special paint W482561 Yenko sold Nova that was added to 'the list'?

69hurstSC 05-09-2018 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by smallblockhero (Post 1400205)
I said exactly what you said to him. I told him I wanted to be convinced this car was special ..even more so then it already is .i don't think bold covers his position on the car. his bravado is amusing. I told him id never heard of him and asked what his credentials are since he claimed he knew how to properly document the car. he got upset when I noted that an original owner car with all the paperwork is not the hardest thing to document. he just wanted to repeatedly claim he set the "yenko car world" on its ear and that everybody is just hating from their couch. no one bashed the car..only the term he was applying to it. the car speaks for itself as a legit L-78 one owner car. I just couldn't wrap my head around his arrogance regarding it.

You took the words out of my mouth. He was demanding that the curators of the documentation change the numbers on their lists to include his car. He said 1 of 37 and 1 of 9 on 12 separate occasions during the video. Sadly, if he brought it to MCACN he'd be laughed out of the building if he still stuck to his sYc claims.


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