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markinnaples 09-21-2017 02:32 PM

Head gasket replacement....
 
OK, so it's been many, many years since I've done any major engine work on a car, but I'm going to attempt to fix a blown head gasket on my Camaro. The engine is a 1969 DZ302 with 13:1 compression, camel hump heads, tunnel ram, etc. but when it comes down to it, it's a pretty basic engine with no accessories.

I just plan on pulling the one head and replacing the gasket but I was wondering whether there are specific caveats or pitfalls I need to look out for? Or, are there any special tips or tricks that you can give me that will help? I just want to make sure I'm aware of any special things that I need to consider besides the normal pulling of the head and torqueing it down to factory specs, etc. I appreciate it.

VintageMusclecar 09-21-2017 03:53 PM

There's a reason it blew--you need to figure out what that reason is before putting it back together so it doesn't do it again.

Check the block deck surface for flatness as well as the head surface. Do NOT use a Roloc wheel to clean off old gasket residue, use a wire brush and a gasket scraper.

If the gasket blew between cylinders, look for damage between the bores on the block and the chambers on the head--the hot gasses can literally torch away material leaving a trough behind.

Replace the head bolts with quality replacements.

Measure the old head gasket thickness or look for a part number so you can replace it with the same part--or at least one with the same thickness. Composite gaskets go on dry. Steel shims go on after coating both sides with Copper Coat and letting it tack up a bit.

While it's apart, run a thread chaser through the head bolt holes, and the intake & exhaust manifold bolt holes to make reassembly easier. If you have to remove the rocker studs, don't forget to coat the threads with sealer before reinstalling.

markinnaples 09-21-2017 06:06 PM

Thank you. I think it may have blown due to having to use crap gas quite a few times when I couldn't make it to the engine shop but I will definitely check all of those things you've said.

earntaz 09-21-2017 08:05 PM

Mark -- if it were mine (but it ain't) ... I'd pull both heads and work over both sides. If one head gasket failed there is a good chance the other isn't far behind ... just my .02 worth ... TAZ

SuperNovaSS 09-21-2017 09:09 PM

Its a straight forward job. Just make sure everything is clean and true before reassembly.

Eric,

Why no Roloc disc on iron parts?


Jason

VintageMusclecar 09-21-2017 09:42 PM

I've seen more parts destroyed by those discs (--including iron and steel--) than I can begin to count--plus, the material that comes off them is abrasive, and if it finds its way into the engine it will wreak all sorts of havoc.

JKZ27 09-22-2017 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VintageMusclecar (Post 1368709)
I've seen more parts destroyed by those discs (--including iron and steel--) than I can begin to count--plus, the material that comes off them is abrasive, and if it finds its way into the engine it will wreak all sorts of havoc.

X2!!

SuperNovaSS 09-22-2017 02:25 AM

That's what I figured you were getting at. I think the gasket removing ones are a good products for removing the residue once the majority of the gasket material is removed. Any tool in the wrong hands can be problematic. Sticking with a gasket scraper is good advice.

Jason

RPOLS3 09-22-2017 01:46 PM

Also - maybe seems obvious - but make sure you change the oil when you are done before you start it back up.

VintageMusclecar 09-22-2017 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markinnaples (Post 1368673)
Thank you. I think it may have blown due to having to use crap gas quite a few times when I couldn't make it to the engine shop but I will definitely check all of those things you've said.

Re: the crap gas issue...

Be sure to carefully inspect the top of the pistons for any visible cracks or flaws, esp. around the outer perimeter above the top ring. Detonation/pre-ignition will often crack the piston resulting in catastrophic engine failure. Been there, done that--twice.

(not my pic)

http://image.mustangandfords.com/f/9...inspection.jpg

markinnaples 09-22-2017 03:48 PM

Ugh, hope that isn't the case with the pistons. I really appreciate all the info. As I read more into it, I may ship the entire engine up to my nephew and have him build me a 383 or 406 with a lower comp ratio, a lumpier cam, maybe some aluminum heads, etc. Something that's a little more modern under the surface but not new school. I don't need to have a rocket, but I do want something that holds it's own when I jump on it.

VintageMusclecar 09-22-2017 04:39 PM

I sent you a PM.

markinnaples 09-25-2017 02:00 PM

Appreciate all the help. Right now pondering having my nephew who builds small block circle track engines build me a 383 stroker. He has most of the parts and I can use the top end of my current 302 so that may be the way to go. And honestly, I hate the way the 302 runs; you have to really wind it out to get moving and that's not what I like. Maybe if I was racing but it just isn't great for cruising. Thanks again.

markinnaples 09-29-2017 01:59 PM

OK, looked at the oil last night. Level was really low, but it didn't appear to be milky/mixed with coolant. I'm wondering if the piston rings went. Argh.


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