1969 Z28 Stripes
 

Looking for pictures of Norwood Z28s......original paint, unrestored......cowl and firewall shots.

Please post.

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My car is Burgundy. 03D. Original owner took a brush to firewall so it is no help. 12000 mile car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...324_200056.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...324_195403.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...324_195523.jpg

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There should be good ones on CRG also. I should have top of my cowl but not finding them

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vinyl top or not? I can text pics of my March Z/28 original paint ....

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Billohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My car is Burgundy. 03D. Original owner took a brush to firewall so it is no help. 12000 mile car. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...324_200056.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...324_195403.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...324_195523.jpg
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Nice pics. Looks very original.

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Stefano - what color combination are u doing? I have some with white stripes and clearly the back stripes and how they lay on the firewall will show differently

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from my norwood, 1600 mile Z when we cleaned it - - white everywhere

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...1-img_1378.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...2-img_1379.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...3-img_1380.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...4-img_1381.jpg
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...5-img_0178.jpg

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Yellow with Black Stripes. Nice Pics....thanks.

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I've notice the difference between Z11's and Z28's too. My car looks like Bill's - one side is mostly body color by the plug (which was added after paint), the other side is mostly white (stripe).

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Sorry I misunderstood the intent of the OP I thought you wanted to see a perfect ODS produced example.

Direct from the paint shop supervisor:

A piece of cardboard with double sided tape was the ODS correct specified way to do all Rally stripe blending operations.

If the cardboard was fresh and the tape was sticky the lines and paint breaks were fresh and crisp. When the paint caked up on the board it was discarded and a new piece cut. This cardboard was cut quickly. Cut and shape variation depended on the attention of the individual worker. When the tape lost tack the board was just tossed over the top with over spray being the result. Eventually the paint shop got pretty good and they just shot the areas needed carefully by hand.

Sometimes not so careful. The paint shop had very little time to complete this task and there could be considerable variation in paint coverage from car to car. When specific general Superintendents were in the areas the board was used-but most of the time we did not even bother.

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I just looked thru my pics and confirmed - I don't recall seeing a sloppy painted Z10/Z11 cowl. It appears like they were more careful with the orange overspray - probably cause it was bright and visible. Black and white stripes didn't seem to be a concern.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just looked thru my pics and confirmed - I don't recall seeing a sloppy painted Z10/Z11 cowl. It appears like they were more careful with the orange overspray - probably cause it was bright and visible. Black and white stripes didn't seem to be a concern.
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Kurt I am curious as to your IPC data sample size for images...roughly how many cars on file with verified original cowl paint? (Z-11's and Z-10's)

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Many are pics of original paint rust buckets.

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Yes- that is the only way to be sure.

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Can we move the pics and Z11/ Z10 stripe discussion to a different thread please. This one is for Norwood Z28 stripes and how the firewall and cowl panels were painted.

Thanks.

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Stefano:

I know you asked for ORIGINAL and these pics are from last year. I took detailed photos upon disassembly, but can't find them (pre-digital camera days). I can tell you that the black paint on the top of that tulip (may be wrong terminology) is factory original paint. I did not respray that area. I only cleaned it off. It is the original black paint. The only white overspray on there is so light a camera will not pick it up. Just a few tiny specs, almost microscopic in size.

If I find the pics taken during disassembly, I will post. All I have are my notes indicating that the &quot;white out&quot; ended abruptly at that seam, and that it continued along closer to the windshield. Although, I can see no reason for it to continue on there other than that is where the guy with the spray gun shot it. You can't see that area through the vent panel.

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Anybody have a black stripe car pictures?
Joe

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One more detail to add... this blending element was done by two men located across from each other. Each man would each spray his respective side of the front plenum chamber and meet in the middle.

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Stefano and Joe ....if needed Gary lives 15 minutes away from me . He has a 34,000 mile Frost Green Black stripe car that is original paint ...if I can help let me know . As I remember the stripes aren't that pretty .. Lol.

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Stefano:

This is the original cowl vent panel off my 08A Norwood Z/28. It is original paint.

I still have the panel, and can take close ups if you want.

Lynn

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This is another original paint Norwood car. I am not sure if it is glare, or if the painter just got very sloppy with the white out treatment. Lots of overspray.

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These pics were taken after removing the cowl panel and the windshield trim.
There was some surface rust below the windshield, so I cleaned it and spray bombed some red oxide primer before taking the pictures.

The firewall looks funky, because when I had the engine out in 76, I decided to make it quieter inside by spraying rubberized undercoat on the outside of the firewall. Well, looked like crap 20 years later. Anyway, it did to a good job of preserving the firewall.

The white out is what Stefano is asking about I believe. All the white paint you see there is from the factory. Some of the edges are hard to see because I did not clean it up before taking the pictures.

I still have the original cowl panel from this car with original paint.

08A car.

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Anybody have an original black stripe Z cowl/firewall picture?
Joe

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Lynn,
If I understand correctly the stripe color was sprayed on the cowl area first, then the firewall was sprayed black, depending on who was painting the firewall each Z28 had differences in how high up the firewall was blacked out, so some Z's had more stripe color showing down over the top edge of the firewall than others.

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Joe, that is going to be real tough to show up.....the only difference would be the gloss black (from the stripe) on the satin firewall/cowl area.

427 King had that white 69Z with black stripes that might show something more definitive.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: miket1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lynn,
If I understand correctly the stripe color was sprayed on the cowl area first, then the firewall was sprayed black, depending on who was painting the firewall each Z28 had differences in how high up the firewall was blacked out, so some Z's had more stripe color showing down over the top edge of the firewall than others. </div></div>

You may be right Mike. I don't know that it would have mattered on my car, as none of the white paint made it below front cowl edge. In fact, look closely and you will see it was so thin toward the front that you could see the black body color through the white paint. Below is a quote from JohnZ's assembly article:

&quot;The last process for a non-stripe car was the blackout booth, where the firewall was blacked-out, the trunk was sprayed with spatter paint, and sound-deadening undercoat material was sprayed in the rear wheelhouses. The rear &quot;cocktail shakers&quot; on convertibles were suspended in the trunk for spatter painting, but weren't bolted in place until later in the Trim Shop, after the taillights and marker lights were installed.

If the car required Z28, Z10, or Z11 stripes or a black rear end panel or rockers, they were masked and manually sprayed in the in-line repair booth/oven system after the reflow oven, including the cowl vent panel; spoilers were painted body color separate from the body, and were final-installed to the deck lid just prior to the repair booth. The rear window filler panel, deck lid and spoiler were masked and sprayed stripe color in the repair booth, and baked in the repair oven before the body went back downstairs to the Trim Shop. The paint guns in the repair booth were fed from manifolds that were part of the main color circulating system so that the repair booth used exactly the same paint the main color booths were using.&quot;

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I guess what I am looking for is how much and where body color overspray shows up.
Joe

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Here is a CRG thread about the same topic with pics of a DY black stripe car.
Notice there is a fine mist of YELLOW down the entire firewall, tiny tiny tiny dots just gives a haze.

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=12194.15