1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

hello
i am impressed with this board, so much that i joined it and would like to discuss a few things.
first off, im impressed with alot of the knowledge from alot of the members here.
second everyone is so kind i thought i would join.
i havent ever joined something like this because i dont want people coming to my door so to speak.
this is why:
when i was 18 or so, i was a mustang freak, i had a neighbor bring his car to me to fix, he must have thought i was a good mechanic because i did a complete resto of a 67 mustang on my parents driveway, it was about 300 ft long, yes the car was from the end of the driveway to the front with parts. i replaced the floors and all the sheetmetal etc...
anyway, he needed the brakes fixed on his car, when he called he ask me to come and get it, the keys are in it he said. i went to go get it a few miles away, the brakes felt spungy so i tried it slowly to go home, the brakes werent working very good but i made it.
it had the original 427 in it, it had the air cleaner and all. it looked like it was messed with a litle bit to me.
i replaced the masted cylinder and the brakes worked but i had to press hard, then i heard a hissing sound from under the dash, the old master cylinder leaked from the rear so bad it damaged the rubber diaphram in the booster. i fixed it, and gave him the old parts, he said i dont want them you keepem. i dont know why but i took them back home.
i threw them in the corner of my dirt floor garage.

well about 6 months went by, and he called me again, he asked if i wanted to buy this car? why would i want it it i asked?
he said he needed the money and thought i had it, well i went and got it and brought it home, my younger sister was visiting our farm and i took her a ride, man did she love it, she said
"you gotta buy this car" the woman will love it, well i bought it and guess what? it had a 350 2 barrel in it???? i went to talk to him about the bigger motor and he said, oh yeah his dad made him take it out and i could go talk to the other guy who worked on it and get the motor and stuff that was in the car, so i did, he gave me so much stuff it didnt fit in the trunk, see i never looked under the hood to even see if it had the bigger motor, so i went and got it. he gave me the console, the air cleaner, wiring to the console, the carpet was soaked with oil, so they took it out. there was so much stuff i had to put some of it in the back seat. anyway the rest is history as they say.
i then parked it in the barn for about 2 yrs. threw the bigger motor which was all dissasembled, in with the chickens in the chicken coop, and left it, they laid egggs in the lifter valley for yrs.
now this is when i was about 18 i didnt care for chevys, but the water pump went out on it and i was told to fix it, because it was leaking on the barns wood floor and dad wouldnt have it, so after i pulled 4 fan bolts and 4 water pump bolts, i was like hey this is to easy?? compared to all the different ford bolts to take out, i then started to like the car, dad had a vette stingray in the garage and i was told, you should drive that car not the ford?
so i did, i took it up town and man did the heads turn! ! !
this car had 38000 miles on it, but the seats were loose, the back seat wasnt installed right, there were wires hanging down in the middle by the heater, i didnt even know what for??
yrs later i figured out what the accelerator hole was for, it went to a switch to open the hood flap, it is factory cowl induction and i thought the relay was for air conditioning, but the car doesnt have A/C, who cared at the time.
he painted the car before i worked on it and put the Z stripes on it and it does look nice i must say, to this day it has 46000 miles on it, the VIN is stamped on the trans, its a little messed up and not to straight but its there, and the block is very rusty but it has the VIN from the car on it as well, it is a MN stamp on the block pad and i think it says 1020 and the vin is by the oil filter, the trans is a 5661 M21, and was so messed up my friend had to hold it in 4th to get home, it just jumped out of gear when you stepped on the gas.
so i threw that in the barn and let it be, i had to get this car running for my wedding, i am now almost 45 and i had to find a trans because the one i had in it broke going to my friends funeral, so i went to the barn i own now, which is a different one than when i was a kid, but i kept alot of muncies, this is one i had left and never tore up because i never used it. i think all the stampings are real and un touched because i never even knew about that kind of info when i was a kid, so i discovered the trans vin when i bead blasted the trans and ordered gears for it, the trans had a B on it for a M21 but i counted the teeth and it was a M20, so i rebuilt it to M21 specs and got it going for the wedding, first time married by the way, no kids either.
now comes the rear diff, this is a 10E car X11 124379N factory big block all the way no if's or butts about it, it stands so tall in the front with a small block that it took shackles in the rear to level the car out, never ever had the heater core out of it or the heater box ,to this day. i checked the vin under the cowl and pulled the kick panels which were never out of the car and saw some numbers so i investigated, they are upside down but they match as well.
from my vin number this car was made during the last 5-9 days of the norwood plant before making the 70 camaro's. its so late that some of the stuff is from the 70 cars? is this the last one made??
anyway, thers is so much history i have on this car, not paper work, but from what ive done to it as a kid and so on, i did put a new windshield in it and found the protecto plate stuffed under the dash when we took out the dash pad, which is broken up under neath so we re-installed the dash with a chrome strip to hold down the front of the dash from curling up i thought it was a credit card, i gave it to the guy who helped me with the windshield and did some paint touch up and undercoated the car for me, he kept it, i called him and he still has it, i have yet to go get it, but he has it and said he would send it to me. now ive done some investigating on the rear diff and it has a BE 1030G2 on it with a E under all of the numbers,which means a oct 30 assembly date BUT the cast date is F239 which makes no sense to me at all??? i cant make up my mind if its an 8 or a 9 you look at it one way and its a 9 or the other way and it might be an 8 but the rear diff has never been out of the car and i even tore out the factory 4:11's, the pinion nut came loose when i stopped at a stop sign and it locked up, i was like what?? i didnt keep the gears but dad showed me what to look for and turn the driveshaft and the tires and all, way before hand, then when i tore it out, i counted the teeth on the ring gear and on the pinion and did the math and it really was a 4:10 ratio, i put new gears in, but the old posi unit was scarred up a little so i got a new one, thing is i still have it to, it has a FH 425 J and 52 and 425 hand stamped on it on the part that the bolts go through to hold the ring gear to it. its also casted with a EDB 30174, the casting in the rear diff is 3894860, ive asked a guy about it and he says its should be something else?? but its a june diff and they changed to what he said after sept or so, so i think it should be the right casting for the F239 date thats cast into it?
why would a BE1030G2 rear diff have a F239 cast date???
im going to have a certification done on it, i talked to a guy named doug something and he said congrats its a copo, but whats with the cast dates? he also said "if you ever want to sell it ask me first ok?" thing is, do i really need it certified? its alot of money to do it, i have everything to it??
can anyone shed light on this, i could go on forever about the history of this car with me, so dad told me to start to write it down, i started with what i told on here, but alot more details, its 6 pages long and counting!!
please let me know about this car because i have the original alt 1100837,the holley carb 4346, pulleys,water pump,master cyl and booster, hold off valve, distributor,air cleaner heads 291, coil im not to sure about, 3163 intake but dates are to hard to read?? anyway the guy i bought it off of wont tell me anything else because he wanted to buy it back about 6 months after i got it and i said no, i wont sell it, its in the barn and im going to keep it, so the only thing he told me when i bought it was that he had it a about 8 months and he got it from a guy who bought it from glockner chevrolet, in portsmouth, thats about and hour from me or less.
anyone who could shed light on this please let me know
thank you for reading this, its interesting to me even sometimes. i replaced the front fenders and the grill when i was a kid, the guy who helped with the windshield also helped me, the grill was silver, it seemed odd to me??
i really dont care what the car is but my friends told me for yrs that this car was something neat and special we never figured it out, they always said there is something about that car?? i dont care what it is, as long as i can finally figure it out! ! ! i had a guy drive 6 hours one way just to look at it, and he said it was definetly worth the trip, he also wanted to buy it, but its not for sale, i dont care if its a 6 cylinder car, i had to much fun in it when i was a kid and i dont want people marching to my door to ask for it, when i was a kid i had this set up on the car, i had a 58 vette 2x4 set up factory down to the bolts for the thermostat housing and the linkage and all, i got hunted down so bad i had to hide them, and ended up selling them, i wont sell this car ever. i was offered my full mortgage payment for it, i turned it down in 1 second.
please let me know, someone out there can shed light on this

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Im sure you will be getting some pm's soon with people wanting to buy your car. It seems as if you indeed do have a Copo camaro if all you are saying is correct. Congratulations !!
It sounds like you have some great memories and stories about the car. I'm sure everyone would love to see it and here some of your stories. . How about posting some pics here and I am sure the 'experts' will chime in and let you know exactly what you have and what is correct and what is not.Any old pics from back in the day??
If you have any questions that I can help with, let me know.

Once again great story !!!! Congrats!!! max

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SOunds like an interesting find. I am courious to what color combination it was originally? Glockner sold a bunch of Hi-Po cars from their dealership. Would love to here more about this car.
Mike

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Great story and as Mike said would love to see pictures. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]

You have come to the right place to get the correct information, that's for sure.

All the numbers seem to be correct although it appears the rearend was assembled either the same day or a day before the car was built. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

Kurt [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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well i have a photo my dad took of me, it has an SS emblem on the front but i took off the ones on the fenders, but left the camaro emblem, i think the dealer put the SS emblems on it to sell it as a 396 car, i can validate the photo because my dad is an engineeer of 40 yrs, and he helped design the Dash 80 jet engine, among others things but i was wearing the shirt in the photo which advertised the dash 80 engine that he brought home for me, that along with the title proves ive had it that long, it was all white with a chrome bumper, i can find all the Z21 trim parts on the car, so it must have had the Z21 package, it also has a factory tach,center clock , and full console with the guages, only thing is i got 2 sets of guages with the car, silver ones and black ones, the silver ones all worked except for the amp guage, but the black ones all work, so i wonder if someone swapped them out, because they didnt work? or did it come with black face guages? i think if it didnt, it should have, because they match the dash guages and the silver ones dont??? im trying to restore the original console, i got some dye but it wasnt right at all, so i bought a junk console to experiement with, did you guys know you can glass bead a console down to the original white and it doesnt hurt it at all??? it works great! ! ! in the photo it has a black grill but this is right after i got it off the rollback and got it back home, it had a fender bender when i was a kid, so i replaced both front fenders and the grill, a black one was the only one available back then so i had to get it, i still have some bow tie emblems for it, they also came in the trunk??? this car has factory disc brakes also , it had a 427 on the lower fender skirts, and was written on the inner fender wels, but i painted over them when i coated the whole car with black rustoleum when i was a kid, im not sure about both of them, but i do have one original skirt with the writing on it, the car is blue inside, everything is blue dash, seats, console,carpet, package tray, i mean everything even the seat belts the belts are dated 42 A 69, which seems correct?? you know chevy dropped the ball on the seat belts guys, where do you put the one for the shoulder belt [the female] it just flops around, i have been doing extensive research and saw one car that had a clip in which it held the female shoulder belt?? im going to use a set of 67 console belt clips and screw them to the shifter tunnel right in front of the front seat, it looks sharp and holds the belts there, just make the hole a little bigger and they click right in. there is a photo on here of a white copo car, this is exactly what my car looked like except mine had a chrome bumper, my car also has the under hood light,trunk light and under dash lights, and also has a fiber optic wire for the ash tray? did you guys know there was a rectangle plug that went in under the cowl right above the windshield wiper motor? its still there on mine. i will try to answer any questions, mine is still standing un answered, why is the BE1030G2 with a &quot;E&quot; under the stamps, it is a F239 casting?
please let me know
thank you

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BE(4.10) 1030 (October 30th) G2 (2nd shift) E (Eaton Posi). It appears the rearend was cast on June 23rd and sat until they used it in October which seems very possible.

Think of it this way....a bunch of rearends were cast and put in bins, when the parts started to get low, they had more made. So your rearend might have been sitting while the newer ones were being used. They didn't rotate stock.

Kurt

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how many PM's have you had with offers to buy it?? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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the rear end was cast F239 then it sat but it was assembled on 1030, the car was started on 10E fifth week oct, meaning the rear was assembled on the 30th of oct, my car was started 10E first week in november

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the car is the original color, it is a 50 50 car, dover white, the door ends and the quater ends that you dont see when the door is closed are original paint, its kinda yellowish white, like its faded over the yrs. it has the original hood marked 42nd week of the yr, original trunk lid h 35 or 42 im not sure i will check it, it has a front and rear spoiler, and has the center brace hole drilled out for the center brace, but its the only brace i dont have??? the quarters are either 42 or 43 i cant tell, the drivers door has 2 stampings behind the door panel, one is a H35 i think but it is at the bottom, the other one is at the top and is a H42 i think, the pass side has one stamp and it matches the drivers door upper stamp., i found the grommet and wires for the original cowl hood wiring, about 12 inches are left on the engine side but the interior side has the whole length to go to the fuse panel.
i wonder if there is a build sheet under the headliner? someone told me there might be, it is ripped a little and the seems are dry rotted but still holding, i might have a look under the headliner to see if i can find a build sheet.
im going to get a pad of paper and write down all the numbers i can find on this whole car and record them so i will have them close at hand. i do have the starter and it is a 1108418 i think, i have the bellhousing for the clutch it is a 621 aluminum type and in mint shape, it has a clip on one of the bolts to hold the starter wires from hitting the exhaust. i twisted the driveshaft once when i was doing a front wheel stand, and it sliced the floor pans up a little, but not noticable, but i did just get done fixing the shifter hole from when i cut it out when i was a kid. i think they should have never sold a hurst super shifter, a friend told me my car was an automatic because it had a lever on the bottom of the steering column and the shifter hole was cut out with a torch, i said why does it have a clutch pedal then??? well over the yrs, i found out the truth, it has a reverse lockout, which i think goes on the car and the torched cut out hole well, thats the way they did it in 69, so i have finally got it mig welded back and found the bottom original hole for the shifter and about 2 inches of the original torch cuts from the factory are still there, if i showed you the repair and you didnt know it was fixed, you wouldnt even know it or notice, thing is im usually cussing someone who chops up cars, well i did it myself when i was about 19, so now at 45 guess who's kicking who??
anyway i will try to load a photo of it soon, i do have a photo of me and the car when i was 18, the tile says 38000 miles on it and when i bought it the clerk personally came out to inspect the cars milaege to make sure, its how they did it back then i guess, he said how much are you paying son? i told him and he said&quot; dont you think thats alot for this car&quot;? but compared to nowdays, you couldnt even by a sub frame for that. to get ready for the wedding i checked the rear brakes, well they havent work at all since ive owned the car, passenger was locked up and leaked sometimes but the drivers side worked but it has a cracked drum, the pass drum is in mint shape not even worn but the drivers is worn badly and cracked, i took off the original brake shoes and the original cylinders to it, i had to, in order to get it going for the wedding.it still has the original clips on the rear end to hold the brake lines and also the clip under the differential cover bolt as well, i had to replace the pass side brake line, i tried to save it but it was to rusted, but i saved and used the spring scuff guard on the new line. i have stuff from this car that i took off since i was a kid, oh by the way dad wouldnt let me drive it to school, he said no way son, i had to take the ford mustang or my 1979 honda civic, bummer but id bet i would have gotten bothered over it and he knew it to.
please give me time to answer all questions and i will get to them asap.
thank you

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i have had no PM's to offer to buy it and as i said, in a mild manner tone, it is not for sale.
id love to discuss anything about the car, but if people start to come to my door, i will dissapear once again. it just scares me to no end. its been a fun car, cops pull you over just to see it, thats always fun??? ive out ran so many cops in it, i think they hit their lights just to see how fast it really ran, but i wont out run them now, to hard to fix and its a felony now, i get week in the knees for real when i just get a little wild in it, no joke. i did have 2 state boys,2 sherriffs, 2 county mountys on my tail at one time, i wound it out tight and shut off the lights and screamed by the moon lit night, they turned off their lights and let it be. is was fast in its day, i shifted at 9000 sometimes 8000 but it took it very well for about 8 yrs or so till i took out the motor, when i pulled the motor it sat for another 15 yrs or so, miraculously my driving record is perfect?? hmmmm maybe it was that car??? the rear diff had a plastic tag on it with a weird size bolt or cap, it is known now it belongs there. thers alot to research on the car. my next question is, is it the last copo made? does anyone know of a copo made on the last day of the first week of november, my car was made the first week of november 10E i did the math and at 700 cars a day mine falls in to about the last 4,5,6,7 or 8th day before the last camaro rolled off the line, i looked it up on CRG. my car has the body number after they started the roll over in late 69 and my VIN is in the last 4-8 days of production, anyone know of a camaro even made this late besides mine? if they do is it a copo? is mine a copo? to be determined.
thanks for your question

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Out of curiosity since this is a late build car with what is the original rear...is it &quot;CBE&quot; stamped or definitely stamped just &quot;BE&quot;?

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a guys screen name known as &quot;hawaiiancamaro&quot; has posted a photo of a car that looks just like mine minus the front bumper, mine was chrome.
i want to post a photo but how do you do it? someone let me know and i will give one out, its of me and the car when i was 18.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ronnieredline</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a guys screen name known as &quot;hawaiiancamaro&quot; has posted a photo of a car that looks just like mine minus the front bumper, mine was chrome.
i want to post a photo but how do you do it? someone let me know and i will give one out, its of me and the car when i was 18. </div></div>Send it to me and I'll post it up.

badv6blazer2000@yahoo.com

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i still have the hub caps for the car, but the wheels i traded off to a friend for his bel air or something like it, i kept the hub caps though. also have the original bumper,gas tank is mint inside,all original brake lines except rear pass,original single fuel line,front springs,fender dust seals, all wiring is intact even the resistor wire, head lights arnt original,the back os the dash has a ink stamp of oct 23 1969 and another number like 7-9 or something, i can check it if i need to. it is unsalvageable,all the plastic bosses are broken off, the kid before me just pulled the dash off instead of taking out the bolts from behind, because the dash peeled up so much i guess he just grabbed it and pulled hard???? yep he's an idiot, i will keep the dash, but i gotta get a new one. the rear interior quarter panel covers have a code on them, pass side says 12437 something and the drivers side says something like j30 or g something i can look again. if its important. the seat are original as well, nice shape, i re-dyed the from seat back covers and the kick panels, they were encrusted with something, i scaped them off cleaned and primed them and re-dyed them, it looks ok i guess.
thank you again

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ther is no dought about it, it is stamped &quot;BE1030G2&quot; with an E under the stamping. the &quot;E&quot; is bigger than the &quot;B&quot; just like all the other photos ive seen of rear BE differentials.
i dont know who is saying that these late camaros are to be with a CBE on the rear diff or CMN on the block, but i have proof enough to show that with the latest car known in my opinion, that is a copo, that they didnt stamp them with 3 letters in late 69, i just dont believe it.
so rest easy if you have a 2 letter stamping, my car is so late that i did the math and it was ran through the assembly line around the 4th to the 8th day before the last one rolled off the line. my VIN is way over 709000.
thanks for your question, i love to do research as well, it is fun to do. after all we dont know the truth, but we have the evidence, if we all unite with the info on our cars to figure it out right?
have a nice day.

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I think a lot of us would like to see the &quot;MN&quot; stamp on the pad (among other things). If you want, I can post it if you send it to me.

Kurt [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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yes i have bought alot of stuff recently on ebay. no im not hiding anything, if you have a doubt ask me, i will have a valid excuse for each and every purchase, including the dishwasher vavle i also bought on ebay, yeah the new wife was up set when the water inlet valve didnt work! ! !
i bought a shifter i threw mine away it didnt even work right also bought a 68 nova style shifter also for the 68 big block im fixing up also bought a holley carb to, but if you would look at the date code its a 922, it isnt correct for my 10E car but is CORRECT for my other 69 i have its a march car! ! ! ! ,a console,some silver guages for parts to fix the one that came with the car because in the upper story, if you read it, the ammeter doesnt work! ! ! a clip for the starter wires, the one i have is factory but it broke and wont stay on with the bolt, its a half circle instead of a full round eyelet, i have bought clips and shackles, because i threw mine away, because i had to raise the rear end of the car because the front was so high with a small block it was hard to drive now if i put the 427 back in, i will lower it with the used ones i bought,gee never thought of that did ya ???.i bought riv nuts because mine were stripped out, for some reason, i didnt take out the console it was in the trunk with a boat load of other stuff,i did buy a console because i wanted to practice on how to restore them with the PROPER type of plastic, you just dont go into something blind nobody could tell me including you WHAT TYPE OF PLASTIC IT IS, remember i was raised by an engineer, you research things first, i bought a grill emblem because mine has a broken stud and i need a worn replacement that doesnt look new,i bought a neg battery cable, and a booster and master cylinder, only it was for the other 69 big block i have which is a 396 375 car, i have 2 other 68 big block cars as well, i build new houses and got lost in winchester ohio once looking for a carpet place and stopped for directions and to scope out his cars and he sold them to me, long story short, i bought these cars from a guy who liked 53 chevys better than these cars, the copo i have now ive had since i was about 18 any title office will prove it to you, i cant even do a car fax on it, because it doesnt exist in the car fax i tried it. the cars i bought from him was a find but my friends told me i was nuts for for paying 1400 a piece for them 15 yrs ago, but i did it, now the same friends are offering me 5-8000 for them, and i havent even touched them, the others i have had for about 10 yrs or so. i also bought the cowl vent panel wedges to re-seal my cowl up again they were rotted and fell apart, i bought a radio harness because i want to hook up my factory am radio with the correct plug, i cut the original one off to hook up my jenson radio when i was a kid, yes we all did it back then, i also bought a trunk mat, but i dont think it belongs in the car but i dont like the undercoating getting all over the stuff i put in the trunk, it rubs off on it,the big block oil pan is for a friends corvette, a camaro doesnt have a trap door oil pan, i found it for him,the dash pad bolt kit, well mine didnt have any, it was coming apart, read the upper story, which the kid before me pulled the dash pad off, the rear quarter glass was tinted in which i bought, no mine arent tinted, but my best friend who raced with me in this car has died and he sold me a whole set of tinted glass out of a 69 big block with a/c that he had, i broke one after his death and wanted a complete set to have, because i now own his car after 20 yrs of running with him, his son drove his dads car to his funeral it was sad, it has a bad wrist pin but his son drove it anyway, i bought it secretly because after his death his sons mom spent everything on drugs and was going to crush the car and he sold it to me sight unseen because i had to have a friend watch her at a department store and radio to me where she was, i had to have a lead car and follow car to get it home from the fear of her ramming me, she didnt like me because i went running around with her husband, we chased each others cars all night but he never did do anything with other woman, just an over jealous wife, im glad i dont have one of those, this is the funeral in which my trans went out on me, thus i parked it and had to bring it out of moth balls to drive it for my wedding! ! ! !! ANY OTHER QUESTIONS??? why would i try to hide anything when im using the same screen name on here as i do on ebay ??? duh, i do have a IQ above the normal 190 ????

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yes the dash is for my other 69 march car i have i hooked up the tach unit, and used a HEI ignition, i burned it out completely about 8 yrs ago, anything else?????

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does anybody have the little blue thread protectors for behind the tach, id like to have a set. as for you typhoon, no photos for you, by the way doug perry and i have been on the phone in the past he knows the car he is friends with jerry mc neish,he knows all the numbers and all the dates, i even called him on my honeymoon and talked about it for about an hour and a half, he knows all about it and said without a doubt what it is. my wife said are you going to sell it? I said no, she said i dont think your ready to sell it either, she likes it to.
doug perry knows who i am and what the info is, go ask him about it,geesh you try to make friends and bango, its been like this everytime i talk about this car, i will send some photos asap, im trying to finish up a new home, cape cod style and with a 12/12 roof it isnt easy with snow on it. the weather we have gotten is not fun to work in to say the least, it is slowing me down to a crawl, and were expected to get more this monday??
anyway if im going to get it certified and i have everything, why do it? its going to cost me money and i already know what it is. its like throwing money away, but it would prove it once and for all. i will do it but i gotta finish this cape cod house first.

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I may have a pair of those blue caps. What are they worth to you? Sam

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well i threw mine away when i was a kid because i knocked them off getting to the broken dash pad, as i mentioned in my original storie, i dont know what would you take for them? id like 3 if possible, id give you 30 bucks incl shipping?
let me know
im trying to posts some photos, how the heck do you do it??

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

im trying to download photos, but now it says to down load &quot;easy files&quot;? and then photo bucket?
ive never done it, but i have the photos already in my PC. hmmm

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ronnieredline</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> this is a 10E car X11 124379N factory big block all the way no if's or butts about it,</div></div>


I am trying to follow your story, are you saying your COPO is a 10E X11?

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

yes my car is 10E build date on the cowl, 10E and its a X11 car why? you know something that i should check out?
the VIN is above 709000 way above it. the body number is 142845
i was told they started the body numbers over in august of 69 at 100000 is this right?

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

go to fookes.com and download &quot;easy Thumbnails&quot; then resize your pics to 640 x 480.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

thank you charley you are very kind, i will do what i can
thank you for your time

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

i down loaded it, now if i can find the pics, how do you send them to this site?

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ronnieredline</div><div class="ubbcode-body">yes my car is 10E build date on the cowl, 10E and its a X11 car why? you know something that i should check out?
the VIN is above 709000 way above it. the body number is 142845
i was told they started the body numbers over in august of 69 at 100000 is this right? </div></div>

I have seen a 10A built COPO with a body number of 142850 that I believe was also sold new in that same area.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

these are some of the photos, im going to try to get a better camera, the block is at the shop but i will get photos of it to, the rest macth my childhood story,mustang, 2x4 intake,me with the car etc...
thank you all for your help

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

im trying like crazy but i cant find but one of the muncie with the numbers on it, but it says 4 dowloads?

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

i know everyone is going to ask &quot;what are the hammer marks next to the &quot;BE&quot; well i dont have an naswer for it, its the way its been since i discovered it about 20 yrs ago, its to far away to try to erase the first code or what? nobody knew what a code was back then? why mess with it? i have looked at the hammer marks and under a high powered magnifying glass there is nothing there, looks like a vice jaw or something??? anyone with any suggestions besides a re-stamp??? a re-stamp is not the answer, it hasnt been messed with since i bought it over 25 yrs ago, could this be a factory mess up? god as my witness i dont know why they did this?

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

here are some more pic's, i have to clean these cars up they have mildew on them and i got to clean them soon, but they dont smell and it wipes right off. i got to do it this spring. or sooner

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

here are some more pics

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

wow only 5 away fgrom my body number? i had a different guy tell me the same thing in an email that alot of copo's were done at this time and mine was right in the middle of the nest of them is what he told me.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

Do I see a faint indication of a C about 3 spaces before the BE stamp? My 10D camaro has the C before the BU stamp on my z28. The late cars did have this as well as the 1970 rear housing casting number.

IF this was built early and waited around for installation, that will expalin the mid yr casting date and a late production stamp. Not sure if all rears installed that late got the C stamp or not.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

i think they made thousands of these copo cars, im begining to think they are as common as a rs/ss z28 or something, it seems everyone has one? glockner chevrolet is about an hour from me, and edgewater raceway is about and hour away, i took my car down there yrs ago and pulled an 11.60 flat with it, some old guy about 75 or 80 walks up and says hey you got that car now? it still looks like it did back in my day??? im like what?? yeah he says, it was here alot it raced against alot of chryslers and fords, it had a good record with the guys, but i asked who raced it? he couldnt remeber, he said the guy was a quiet type and looked alot like me?? good grief?? have i been cloned???, he said the guy had a big engine in it and it was all hot rodded up??
that must be his old school terms, but he said it looks just as it did back then hood and all, he checked it out, those were the days he said, and walked off in to a haze it seems now, i really wondered to this day what its all about???
i am baffeled by this, maybe the guy who sold it to the kid i got it off of is the guy this older gentlemen was talking about? man this is to much to figure out, i will never figure it out, the raceway doesnt keep records does it? i should call them, its worth a shot. maybe ole grumpy owned it or fred gibb hhhaaa hhaaaa i doubt it big time.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

well i can check but there alot clearer when you see them in real life and there is no &quot;c&quot; at all on this rear diff none, i will check the photos to see what your looking at
thank you

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

i went out and checked and there is no way that there is a &quot;c&quot; there, it must be dirt or a hammer mark or something else in the photo, it is clear as a bell only a &quot;BE&quot; and thats it, could this help in research? i will show all i can, i have a better camera but i have to go get it and take some more pics.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

you see this is how its been for about the last 15 yrs any one i talk to has a different answer, im not complaining but the story just goes round and round and has for years and years, thats why im on here for all the help i can get, i appreciate all the help, but now its supposed to have a &quot;c&quot; there? what if human error comes into play and the guy stamping it just didnt feel like stamping it right or the person was new? or something, but yours has a CBU on it huh? hmmm well the hammer marks are to far away to hammer away the &quot;C&quot;, its just to far away? this car is supposed to be a mistery and never solved, i guess thats the answer??? i even cjecked the whole rear diff out it does have a conv 1 on it and a bunch of numbers going 12345, 67890 or something garbeled up it makes no sense either??? this is going to be a fun one to figure out guys, and thats if we do???