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I thought I would share some photo's of this car with you guy's, It's fresh out of the paint shop and I am very excited about getting this thing together, it has bean apart since 1982, very cool option list on this thing, all #s matching,six pack, 4 speed, dana 60, disk brakes, sublime paint, black vinyl top, black leather bucket seat interior, console, overhead console, rally gauges, 15" ralley wheels, fender top turn signals, shaker hood, black hockey sticks, we bought his car on a sealed bid auction this summer and plan on having it finished for in the spring if I can shake this flu bug, I will post some photo's later to show the progress, Rich https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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The wheels are kinda small aren't they?

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Cool car, can't wait to see more progress photos.

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They are just low on air so they look that way.

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Cummins restorations in michigan get's the credit for the paint.

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I was told the owner of this car was from Canada, but I don't know that for sure?

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Wow - great options, outstanding color!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Wow - great options, outstanding color!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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I'll second that https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif Any 'as found' pics?

Mike

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Cool!! Lots of options. 2 Fender Tags.
Mike

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Now that is a Mopar worth of restoration. N96, 440-6, sub lime, 4 speed, numbers matching. Good job! Look forward to more pics!

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Beautiful!

Can't wait to see this one when its finished.

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Looks great, Rich!

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looks super so far!!!!

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agreed, the "as found" pics are always interesting

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super cool car. I think the overhead console is pretty rare. any paper work? owner history?

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I assume you are referring to the picture of the headliner showing the dome light? I looked at it and could not tell if that is a console or the picture streeked and blurred.

If it IS a console it brings up some questions for me. I sold Dodge E bodies new and am familiar with them but not so familiar with the Plymouth line.

That console in the Dodge E body was ONLY available in the "formal roof" SE package which is sales code A78. I THOUGHT that in the Plymouth line that the same basic equipment (ceiling console) came standard in the Grand Coupe. In the info I have available at hand shows no option package that would include this console for a Plymouth E body.

Now, if my above statement is true then the V.I.N. of a Grand Coupe should begin BP not BS or should have some type of option package on the fender tag to indicate the console as part of that package.

So, my question is, is the fender tag wrong, is the picture blurry just APPEARING to be a console, or was there some other way I am not aware of to get the console and if so, why is ther no indication of it on the fender tag?

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On non Gran Coupes Plymouth E-bodies, if you ordered the leather interior you could get the roof consolette as part of the interior package.

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On non Gran Coupes Plymouth E-bodies, if you ordered the leather interior you could get the roof consolette as part of the interior package.

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Maybe on a Plymouth but not on a Dodge. The ONLY way the console was available was on the SE.

Do you have a link to a Plymouth Dealer Data Book or Color and Upholstery Book that confirms this? I have a bunch of Govier's white books and there is no reference to this at all.

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I am no Mopar expert, but here is a Cuda owned by a friend, leather interior with the overhead console.

http://www.hispeedcustoms.com/IMAGES...ples/index.htm

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I am no Mopar expert, but here is a Cuda owned by a friend, leather interior with the overhead console.

http://www.hispeedcustoms.com/IMAGES...ples/index.htm

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WOW! R code, jackpot! HEMI! Where on earth did your bud find it? Have to ask, what did he shell out for it?

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I am no Mopar expert, but here is a Cuda owned by a friend, leather interior with the overhead console.

http://www.hispeedcustoms.com/IMAGES...ples/index.htm

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The fender tag has the interior code that indicates it is a premium bucket seat black leather seats, but that does not reference an overhead console with it. What I am looking for is some kind of factory data or literature that confirms the console was available alone or came with the leather.

There is nothing on the fender tag to indicate a overhead console. Not all options were indicated on the FT so I am not surprised by that.

There is also no place on the broadcast sheet to indicate an overhead console (only the floor console) so it would have to be part of a package. As I said, the info I have shows no such package or a sales code for it. So, how would the factory workers know how to build it? There is a place for codes on the B/S for "items not broadcast above" and there is a remarks section that it COULD have been shown.

I am not saying anything is WRONG with this car, I would just like to see some proof about this console and it's availability.

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This is the second 6 pack 70 Cuda' I have had with the leather bucket seat interior, they both had the overhead console, if you check Galen's option book it states the high grade bucket seat option package as including the overhead console, that is in 70 only, I also have a 71 Cuda' with the leather and it does not have the overhead console, There is a build sheet for this car, but I am on the hunt for the previous owner in Canada to obtain it, I will also be looking to obtain early photo's if possible. as I said I bought this car on a sealed bid auction. (bankruptcy) appears to be the issue at hand with the owner?

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On non Gran Coupes Plymouth E-bodies, if you ordered the leather interior you could get the roof consolette as part of the interior package.

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Maybe on a Plymouth but not on a Dodge. The ONLY way the console was available was on the SE.



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That's why I said on Plymouth E-bodies. Dodge was different, as it was part of the SE package in 70 and the Formal Roof package in 71. There are a lot of things on these cars that aren't coded on the fender tag or on the broadcast sheet yet still appear because they are part of a package. When the leather interior was ordered it came with a different headliner material. That was the clue for the guys on the line to install the overhead consolette, as the material on the consolette matched the unique headliner.

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WOW! R code, jackpot! HEMI! Where on earth did your bud find it? Have to ask, what did he shell out for it?

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Althought the bio on the attached link said he bought it in 1970, I thought it was 71. He bought it from a fellow in Chicago with approximately 900 miles on it. He paid around $3000. He made some modifications and raced it a few times. He moved to Arizona from Illinois around 1977 and the car sat since. He took it in for the restoration about two years ago. I haven't spoken to him in a few months but it should be close to being finished. Some of the correct hemi parts were hard to find. He had to replace a few things that he tossed in the garbage in the 70's.

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I stand corrected.

I learned something new today.

I DID find it in GGs white book.

I was looking in the list of packages but it is coded as a "stand alone option" but is in fact a package of items.

It is sales code C26 and is described as follows:
"consolette with formed headlining. Includes door ajar warning light and buzzer, warning light for low fuel & seat belts, and a formed headlining. Std. with Grand Coupe and Challenger SE.

So, apparently it has nothing to do with the stand alone leather seat option when it was ordered on cars that it was not std. on--Grand Coupe & SE, unless there was some kind of note in the factory price guide or Data Book the made one of the other required when ordering.

Contrary to what some have said here, I know of no case what equipment is NOT coded in one way or another on the B/S. Sometimes you have to know what is included in a package it is coded in.

I would gues that this would be coded in the "C" section between rear arm rests and headliner delete as the is a space for a 2-- code there.

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I have yet to see a leather seat car without the over head console? I would guess if you order the leather seats you got the c26 option in 1970.

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Not unless there is something that states you could not get one without the other. Chrysler had several situations like that but it was always spelled out either in the Data Book or the dealer pricing guide.

Most leather seat E body cars were either Grand Coupes or SEs. the leather was standard but cloth and vinyl could be substituted for the leather. Both those cars came standard with the consolette and the other items listed above. I don't know about the Grand Coupe but the SE had a smaller back window and a vinyl top. The real reason for the vinyl top was to cover the sloppy fit od the window plug.

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All I am saying is I personally have never seen a 1970 Cuda' with leather without the overhead console, In 1971 yes but never in 1970, Not to say it never happened but I have never seen it.

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I was talking to my brother about this leather console debate and the c26 package included with leather seats, it kind of goes along with the N96 shaker, when you order N96 you also must get 3 speed wipers and it will show as another option, if you order rally gauges, you also get a tachometer as a seperate option even though it is included in the gauge package, you also recieved 3 speed wipers with the gauges and it is listed as a seperate option. I have also never seen a leather seat car in 70 without a floor console? just something to think about. Rich

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I was talking to my brother about this leather console debate and the c26 package included with leather seats, it kind of goes along with the N96 shaker, when you order N96 you also must get 3 speed wipers and it will show as another option, if you order rally gauges, you also get a tachometer as a seperate option even though it is included in the gauge package, you also recieved 3 speed wipers with the gauges and it is listed as a seperate option. I have also never seen a leather seat car in 70 without a floor console? just something to think about. Rich

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Well, SOME of that is correct. A tach was never a manditory option but was often also ordered when the gauges were. If the tach was standard, yes, it was coded seperately on the B/S. 3 speed wipers WERE manditory because the 2 speed motor will not fit with the six pack, air grabber, or Hemi air cleaner. I see no reason for a consolette to be REQUIRED with the leather seats and I find no sales code for the two as a package. Until someone shows proof that one came with the other or that there was a package sales code for it we will have to believe they were simply available seperately and ordered togather in these cases.

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if somebody shows up with a 1970 BS cuda with just leather seats and no C26, that will help also,