found my vin on here says its a yenko help
 

please help 67 4k

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Holy cryptic messages, Batman! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Post a pic of cowl tag or give us all the data from it.
A 67 4K is special and has the CHANCE of being the proverbial needle in the haystack!

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It was found, sold, confirmed as a black with red interior 450 hp 427 car.

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Is that the one that was possibly stripped and/or stolen?

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Car is what it is. Real sold by Fred Gibb. Herb Fox has talked to the new owner.

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Pics please!.

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It was found, sold, confirmed as a black with red interior 450 hp 427 car.

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Charlie,

I know the car fairly well...I was one of the potential buyers. I spoke to Warren, (the guy that holds the paperwork for the 67 Yenkos) On multiple occasions Warren looked for paperwork on that car and could not find anything to verify that it was a 427 conversion. The only thing that could be confirmed was that it was modified and that it being an actual 427 conversion was mere speculation...hence I passed on the car.

The paperwork that was available revealed receipts that total far less than it would have cost for the car to be a bonafied 427 conversion...the receipts were par with a modified as opposed to a 427 conversion

Perhaps the paperwork miraculously fell out of the sky indicating the car as a 427 conversion as opposed to a modified car...

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Sorry, Not up on everything that has been gong on around here, been running businesses instead of playing with cars... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif

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Orlando. The orig owner has been located. The orig selling dealer has been located. Warren has since looked in the right file and found where it was sold to Fred Gibb. It is well remembered by Gibb employee etc. Orig owner drag raced it. He even let Dick Harrell drive it to compare ET's. Great car that was missed by several people based on missing info that has been found.

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Cool stuff~ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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Blk with Red guts... My Fav color for a 67 YENKO

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It was found, sold, confirmed as a black with red interior 450 hp 427 car.

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Charlie,



I know the car fairly well...I was one of the potential buyers. I spoke to Warren, (the guy that holds the paperwork for the 67 Yenkos) On multiple occasions Warren looked for paperwork on that car and could not find anything to verify that it was a 427 conversion. The only thing that could be confirmed was that it was modified and that it being an actual 427 conversion was mere speculation...hence I passed on the car.

The paperwork that was available revealed receipts that total far less than it would have cost for the car to be a bonafied 427 conversion...the receipts were par with a modified as opposed to a 427 conversion

Perhaps the paperwork miraculously fell out of the sky indicating the car as a 427 conversion as opposed to a modified car...

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It seems that you have bad information. The original paperwork clearly shows that this is a 450hp conversion, as well as a few other interesting items.

Confirmation by the original owner and the original Fred Gibb salesperson are nice too.

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There is a Jay Kline car that is that same color combo. congrats

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Orlando. The orig owner has been located. The orig selling dealer has been located. Warren has since looked in the right file and found where it was sold to Fred Gibb. It is well remembered by Gibb employee etc. Orig owner drag raced it. He even let Dick Harrell drive it to compare ET's. Great car that was missed by several people based on missing info that has been found.

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Charlie,

I did a little digging around and found that the black/red yenko was indeed sold from Fred Gibb Chevrolet. I must say that I was grossly misinformed...the dynamics as to how and why I was misinformed is pretty much a moot point at this time as the car is now with its new owner. From what I hear, looks like it is going to undergo a well deserved restoration.

As a side note, found some infomation that I thought was pretty interesting. As most people know, Don Yenko ordered many of his cars via fleet orders. Some were ordered as COPOs. The cars that received the 427 conversions however, were assigned YS#s while those that were not converted did not recieve YS#s (regardless if they were ordered from yenko chevrolet via a fleet/or COPO order).

The extent of the conversions varied depending on what the buyer wanted, hence the wide range of "conversion prices" Adding to the wide range of "conversion prices" was the fact that Don Yenko frequently conducted "side deals" with other dealerships and or private buyers that somethimes dramatically affected the selling price reflected on paper.

The crux of it all is that a YS# is needed to verify a 427 converted car. A simple fleet code or COPO order on a yenko sold car does not confirm a conversion.

In addition, the dollar amount on the yenko paperwork essentially has little to no correlation as to whether or not a car was converted.

It all boils down obtaining authentic paperwork verifying a legitimately assigned YS#.

Anyhow, wish I would of had this info early on!!

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Please excuse my ignorance... but what exactly just happened here (from the start)??

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Short version...Guy posts here asking for help with his vin, It is on the list as a 67 Yenko. He had just bought it on Craigs list for 17 or 18 K. A member here has it bought from him for 150K pending inspection on Monday. The member is informed by someone that should know that it is a bad car and was one of two that was stolen. Member walks away from the car based on that info. More info shows up proving the car is real and that the information of it being a stolen-stripped car is wrong. Another guy buys the car. Member is told the price is now 400K.

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Thanks for the "Clill's Notes" version.

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Having bounced around this site for a couple of years, I completely appreciate what I have been able to learn about this hobby and some of the nuances associated with finding and identifying some of these great finds HOWEVER I have to say that posting on this board to ask questions about a "find" draws out the sharks a bit and people get in line to "steal" the car from whoever has it. In this instance, the term "memnber" is used several times to describe different people that got involved in the process and it appears as though at least one member misinformed another in order to steal the car from under the other one. I know the concept of a fair price has been discussed here in the past and I would certainly try to get the best deal but I think the term "no honor among thieves" is appropriate on this one. If I were fortunate enough to find a potential supercar find, I have to say that coming to this site and sharing any type of detail would probably not be my first move. I know there are good guys on this site and would selectively seek them out for assistance but I would not put anything out there regarding location or any specifics about a car as people come out of the woodwork with "good intentions" and then screw you out of the deal.

Just an observation. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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The bad advise on the car came from outside this site and I believe the advisor believed the info he had...Just bad advise. Nobody giving bad advise with the intention to divert the sale to someone else.

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Thanks for the summary, I was just curious what happened here.

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So reading what is posted here and on Team Camaro...has the car been flipped already?

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I will now pick up my jaw, shut my mouth and head straight to Craigs List!!! Holy Sh^%!

Is there any more to the story of how the original poster found the car? Did he have any idea what it was when he bought it?? How about a few pictures of this mystery car!!

Wow.....

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yes, car has been resold. No he did not know what he originally purchaseduntil he did some research - obviously the orig seller did not either.

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an earlier post here mentions that 427 conversions were assigned a YS number. do members support this claim? can it be disproven?
some cars have lower transaction prices which is reason for doubt. Supposedly the yenko paperwork for this car listed a low $ price for this car suggesting "unconverted". after some more digging, sounds like there was supporting conversion docs away from yenko.
just trying to understand whether all 67 or 68 yenkos on the list with a YS number are considered conversion or how its disproven. thanks

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some cars have lower transaction prices which is reason for doubt. Supposedly the yenko paperwork for this car listed a low $ price for this car suggesting "unconverted". after some more digging, sounds like there was supporting conversion docs away from yenko.
thanks

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The paperwork clearly shows the 450hp Conversion and the invoiced price reflects the conversion prices for this particular Yenko.

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Originally posted by: 66 L78 ragtop

As a side note, found some infomation that I thought was pretty interesting. As most people know, Don Yenko ordered many of his cars via fleet orders. Some were ordered as COPOs. The cars that received the 427 conversions however, were assigned YS#s while those that were not converted did not recieve YS#s (regardless if they were ordered from yenko chevrolet via a fleet/or COPO order).

The extent of the conversions varied depending on what the buyer wanted, hence the wide range of "conversion prices" Adding to the wide range of "conversion prices" was the fact that Don Yenko frequently conducted "side deals" with other dealerships and or private buyers that somethimes dramatically affected the selling price reflected on paper.

The crux of it all is that a YS# is needed to verify a 427 converted car. A simple fleet code or COPO order on a yenko sold car does not confirm a conversion.

In addition, the dollar amount on the yenko paperwork essentially has little to no correlation as to whether or not a car was converted.

It all boils down obtaining authentic paperwork verifying a legitimately assigned YS#.

Anyhow, wish I would of had this info early on!!

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A YS# isn't concrete evidence of anything, conversion or not...

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Originally posted by: 66 L78 ragtop

As a side note, found some infomation that I thought was pretty interesting. As most people know, Don Yenko ordered many of his cars via fleet orders. Some were ordered as COPOs. The cars that received the 427 conversions however, were assigned YS#s while those that were not converted did not recieve YS#s (regardless if they were ordered from yenko chevrolet via a fleet/or COPO order).

The extent of the conversions varied depending on what the buyer wanted, hence the wide range of "conversion prices" Adding to the wide range of "conversion prices" was the fact that Don Yenko frequently conducted "side deals" with other dealerships and or private buyers that somethimes dramatically affected the selling price reflected on paper.

The crux of it all is that a YS# is needed to verify a 427 converted car. A simple fleet code or COPO order on a yenko sold car does not confirm a conversion.

In addition, the dollar amount on the yenko paperwork essentially has little to no correlation as to whether or not a car was converted.

It all boils down obtaining authentic paperwork verifying a legitimately assigned YS#.

Anyhow, wish I would of had this info early on!!

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A YS# isn't concrete evidence of anything, conversion or not...

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Is this your personal philosophy or do you have objective data and/or sound reasoning that would lead the readers of your post to draw your same conclusion?

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Originally posted by: 66 L78 ragtop
Is this your personal philosophy or do you have objective data and/or sound reasoning that would lead the readers of your post to draw your same conclusion?

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I saw it in a dream! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

And we know of cars out there with YS#'s that are known to be uncoverted...

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Curious to hear everyone’s thoughts about this particular Camaro. We know the current owner is asking $400,000 for the car, and with it basically needing everything, projected restoration costs will exceed $100,000. Factoring in today’s economy, once restored, will the car be worth a half mil or more?

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Originally posted by: 66 L78 ragtop
Is this your personal philosophy or do you have objective data and/or sound reasoning that would lead the readers of your post to draw your same conclusion?

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I saw it in a dream! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

And we know of cars out there with YS#'s that are known to be uncoverted...

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Can you elaborate as to how you concluded that said YS numbered cars were unconverted?

Do you have an example of a one owner, survivor car with bullet proof documentation indicating a YS# and an engine other than a 427?

If not, how can you draw a verifiable and plausible conclusion that some YS numbered cars were unconverted?

If a converted car wan't an indication for a YS# assignmnet, then what was the indication for assigning a YS number to a car?

I'm not trying to bust your chops, just fishing for a non-speculative, non-circumstantial answer...I don't think there is one and therefore do not think that a YS numbered car can reasonably and justifiably be reduced to an unconverted car.

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Curious to hear everyone’s thoughts about this particular Camaro. We know the current owner is asking $400,000 for the car, and with it basically needing everything, projected restoration costs will exceed $100,000. Factoring in today’s economy, once restored, will the car be worth a half mil or more?

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The guy is obviously testing the waters. I'm very certain he is aware that his chances of selling the car for 400K are slim to none...but hoping for that one guy with more money than brains!!

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Having bounced around this site for a couple of years, I completely appreciate what I have been able to learn about this hobby and some of the nuances associated with finding and identifying some of these great finds HOWEVER I have to say that posting on this board to ask questions about a "find" draws out the sharks a bit and people get in line to "steal" the car from whoever has it. In this instance, the term "memnber" is used several times to describe different people that got involved in the process and it appears as though at least one member misinformed another in order to steal the car from under the other one. I know the concept of a fair price has been discussed here in the past and I would certainly try to get the best deal but I think the term "no honor among thieves" is appropriate on this one. If I were fortunate enough to find a potential supercar find, I have to say that coming to this site and sharing any type of detail would probably not be my first move. I know there are good guys on this site and would selectively seek them out for assistance but I would not put anything out there regarding location or any specifics about a car as people come out of the woodwork with "good intentions" and then screw you out of the deal.

Just an observation. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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^ mine too

remembering back not so long ago with those/(these same?) sharks circling around a handshake deal on a 69 COPO, one of them even drove up to the house with a trailer in an attempt to "steal" the car ...

amazing what the lure of the $iren $ong will do ... but then I would have to guess that those $harks live that way every day ... sad, so sad

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Originally posted by: 66 L78 ragtop
Is this your personal philosophy or do you have objective data and/or sound reasoning that would lead the readers of your post to draw your same conclusion?

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I saw it in a dream! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

And we know of cars out there with YS#'s that are known to be uncoverted...

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Can you elaborate as to how you concluded that said YS numbered cars were unconverted?

Do you have an example of a one owner, survivor car with bullet proof documentation indicating a YS# and an engine other that a 427?

If not, how can you draw a verifiable and plausible conclusion that some YS numbered cars were unconverted?

If a converted car wan't an indication for a YS# assignmnet, then what was the indication for assigning a YS number to a car?

I'm not trying to bust your chops, just fishing for a non-speculative, non-circumstantial answer...I don't think there is one and therefore do not think that a YS numbered car can reasonably and justifiably be reduced to an unconverted car.

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Off the top of my head I can think of 2 Novas, one of which still has the original Yenko Sportscars, Inc. file (YS# 9769 I believe)...

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I think all dealerships, then and now, used such a system of assigning stock numbers to their inventory. My 2010 had such a number.

There is no doubt that not all cars receiving a YS # got converted.

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What did the Black and Red 67 Yenko sell for last year?

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All Yenko deuces had a YS#. None were converted. All were COPOs. None were 427s.

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I guess it all depends on your definition of conversion because I think of all the 70 copo nova's arriving at yenko unconverted and the conversion put on wheels, stripes, tach, etc. which made it a yenko deuce. The conversion in 70 made it a yenko deuce as opposed to Petes copo nova. On 69 camaro's there was the same sticker/emblem treatment as 70, no engine change. 67 and 68 camaro's and 69 nova's received 427 engine in the conversion to a yenko supercar with emblems, etc. my two cent opinion on definition..

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I guess it all depends on your definition of conversion because I think of all the 70 copo nova's arriving at yenko unconverted and the conversion put on wheels, stripes, tach, etc. which made it a yenko deuce. The conversion in 70 made it a yenko deuce as opposed to Petes copo nova. On 69 camaro's there was the same sticker/emblem treatment as 70, no engine change. 67 and 68 camaro's and 69 nova's received 427 engine in the conversion to a yenko supercar with emblems, etc. my two cent opinion on definition..

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Bill is nicely summarizing the previous perspectives, the YS# is simply a tracking device - and was/can be used to track different things in different years. I would not hang my hat on a YS# as anything other than a YS#!

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Curious to hear everyone’s thoughts about this particular Camaro. We know the current owner is asking $400,000 for the car, and with it basically needing everything, projected restoration costs will exceed $100,000. Factoring in today’s economy, once restored, will the car be worth a half mil or more?

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My understanding is the 400K price was supposed to be confidential and the offering of that price was rescinded within a hour of when it was priced. I didn't know at the time it was secret. It is supposedly not for sale at this time.