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Cash For Clunkers
Seeing as they are required to <u>crush</u> all candidates regardless of their condition,I can't wonder what future collectible cars AND parts are now that much more difficult to find from 1984 & up.Some may argue nothing made form 1984 up is collectible anyway,but I disagree.
I understand the initial idea behind it,but wouldn't you think there's some very useful parts attached to some of those vehicles they have to crush as a whole? Parts like working engines-(made inoperable),seats,steering columns,window glass,transmissions,wheels,doors,hoods & rearends..all crushed & scraped. Already in effect for 4 days,it's completely depleted and no longer offered..So far no plans have been made to extend or increase the funding,the Govt. said this AM. Maybe that's a blessing for future collectibles.. Thoughts? |
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It was my understanding and reading of this event that it was only that the engines were to be made inoperable and that the rest of the car can go to the bone yard. I understand that some of the dealers are sending them straight to the crusher and that bone yard dealers are PO'd over this.
My $.02, they should have made this so that it was for purchase of a American made car. So much for stimulation of our economy!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif |
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It was my understanding and reading of this event that it was only that the engines were to be made inoperable and that the rest of the car can go to the bone yard. I understand that some of the dealers are sending them straight to the crusher and that bone yard dealers are PO'd over this. My $.02, they should have made this so that it was for purchase of a American made car. So much for stimulation of our economy!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif [/ QUOTE ] I agree 100%. Like the Japanese and Chinese would do that for us LOL! |
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The program is already out of money so I wouldn't worry too much.
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the engines are being locked up and they are going to the wrecking yards. they will be stripped and then crushed in time. we have 2 monte carlo ss's that were traded in!
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The program is already out of money so I wouldn't worry too much. [/ QUOTE ] This was a well thought out program that was supposed to last 4 months NOT 4 days. Can't wait for the healthcare plan... |
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I heard the dealers were afraid the goverment ran out of money but there still is money left. They sold 50,000 cars and the plan has a cap at 250,000 units
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This was a well thought out program that was supposed to last 4 months NOT 4 days. Can't wait for the healthcare plan... [/ QUOTE ] Please keep this topic about cash for clunkers,and not make any parallel political attacks. Thanks.. |
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Funny how things can be looked at from a different viewpoint...this whole program was done at the expense of USED CAR DEALERS...
I'm a used car dealer... First, have you ever looked at the list of 'eligible' trade ins? These are NOT 'new' car buyers...these are used car buyers CONVERTED into new car buyers..by this program. So Used car dealerships LOSE 250,000 sales while NEW car dealers get these sales...the way the program is advertised by the new car dealer...it brings in thousands of possible buyers who THINK they will get 3500/4500 for their junk only to find out their car doesn't fit the guidlines...but once in the door, they are at the mercy of a new car salesman. We used car dealer have NO PROBLEM with new car sales..it is from these sales that the 'trade-in' is garnered,[our inventory...but under this plan, the 250,000 cars are to be crushed, we should have gotten the majority of these car in trade ins to US... So when John Q Public trades in his old Aerostar Van, he bought from me ten years ago,on new VW..it's on my back that VW [German company]makes money,a millionare car dealer makes money, and after all the years MY service department took care of this Aerostar ..he is lost to a dealer who has done NOTHING to 'earn' this customer, all backed by the government, [MY taxes] in a deal that's too good to pass up.. I lost at least two sales last week to this program...College costs me the same as Mister VW dealer, And need to but food on my table just as well... [almost fell off my soap box...] |
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Why doesn't someone go to the Junkyard and buy an old Junker
for 350.00 bucksand trade that in ? Will that fly? |
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They did a news piece on a local guy that traded in his twenty year old benz on 15k sticker KIA.. after the gub-mint voucher, his credit union discount,dealer rebates he paid $5500 + T&L- or a third of window, not too shabby!
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Why doesn't someone go to the Junkyard and buy an old Junker for 350.00 bucksand trade that in ? Will that fly? [/ QUOTE ] You need to own the car for a year I think. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif |
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Jim's used dealer angle is very interesting!.
Here in Canada we're still waiting and watching how things unfold in the US before we get anything similar...if it even happens at all?. Here's some of the US eligibility details below.. Trade-in Vehicle Is in drivable condition Has been registered in your name and insured consistent with State law continuously for at least one year immediately prior to the date you trade in your vehicle under the Cash for Clunkers program Was manufactured less than 25 years before the month you trade in your vehicle (for example, if you trade-in your vehicle any time in August 2009, your trade-in must have been manufactured in August 1984 or after); or, in the case of category 3 trucks, not later than model year 2001 Has a combined MPG of 18 or less (this does not apply to category 3 work trucks, i.e., very large pickup trucks and cargo vans) New Vehicle (Purchased or Leased) Is new (i.e., legal title has not been transferred to anyone) Has a manufacturer's suggested retail price of $45,000 or less prior to the addition of any options, features, taxes or destination charges https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif ~ Pete |
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[ QUOTE ] This was a well thought out program that was supposed to last 4 months NOT 4 days. Can't wait for the healthcare plan... [/ QUOTE ] Please keep this topic about cash for clunkers,and not make any parallel political attacks. Thanks.. [/ QUOTE ] You asked for "thoughts?" and I provided mine. No political attack intended, just fact. I would say the program was not well thought out for the reasons you posted and others as well. |
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They just announced that there are gonna keep this going till Sept.2010. OH MY!
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Jim Ferron is "right on the money"....these are used car customers...not the typical new vehicle buyer. The government has no business creating these types of programs. They would have been better off giving all the dealers a tax cut to help energize their business or an across the board consumer rebate/incentive to upgrade to a more fuel efficient vehicle...new or used. No one is talking about the costs the dealers are facing to handle the paperwork, phone calls and "engine destruction" process that is required. This whole mess qualifies as an unfunded federal mandate heaped on the backs of private business owners.
Remember when rebates and low interest financing started..?? since then dealers are hard pressed to generate sales unless there is a "program" in place. Once this CFC is over...the government will have to dream up another offer (scheme) to keep the ball moving. By the way...where does the money come from to pay the dealers the $4500 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif Press #1 for the answer...or just hold and Ms. Pelosi will be with you shortly. A chicken in every pot and a clunker in a every garage https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif ps...Congress is voting as we speak to add 2 Billion Dollars to the program....I can hear the presses running https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif |
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I read that the way the dealer is supposed to disable a clunker is to drain the crankcase, then pour silicone silicate in, start the engine, and it slowly dies. Geez, I know it's just an engine, but if I were to see this, I'm not sure I could help myself. I'd be yelling "Turn it off! Turn it off!". Seems a shame to inject automotive poison, then sit back and watch (and hear) an engine slowly die. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif
What's interesting is that in one week, $250 million of the $1 billion allocated was used. What many dealers are doing (this is no surprise) is that they're taking EXISTING used cars on their lots, changing the dates they were traded in (an unethical used car dealer, who would have thought? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif) and submitting the forms to get $4500 per car. Then the dealer keeps all the money. Gee, another well thought out plan. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/stupid.gif |
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Thank you Tom,
I'll tell you juuuuust one idea that would have made some sense.... First and MOST important, only cars BUILT in the good ol' US of A should be eligible [to buy]. Why are our tax dollars going to foreign workers and foreign manufactures? Have you EVER heard of a more stupid idea? And not to be political here...even though we need Health care relief more than any other single reform...I hope it better thought out than this... What do YOU guys pay? I'm over $1500 for a family plan, no dental...nearly $10 an HOUR of my pay [salary] goes to just healthcare.And even if your employer provides it, it's still YOUR money, or that much LESS than your employer can afford to pay you, Imagine a ten dollar an hour raise??? Health care is my LARGEST personal and business expense. Sorry waaaaaay off the subject.Please don't yell at me...I just venting... |
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Oh and another 'tatic' they are using...customer goes in with their Olds Ciera [or any other non-qualifying car]..[doesn't qualify] and the dealer tells 'em don't worry, I'll get you the same $3500 off even without the correct car..he then takes the car [which has SOME value as he doesn't have to crush it] and then just uses factory rebates and regular dealer discouts to add up to the $3500...
so the customer [MY customer] buys a NEW car at the same deal they would have gotten a month ago, thinking they got a 'special' deal.... this customer was a USED car customer duped into buying a new car [one they very well may not be able to afford, I guess I'll see that car next year in the repo lane at the auction...with yet another person with ruined credit] |
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I was at a major auto recycler yesterday and they were being over run with clunkers. I wouldn't call half these things clunkers though. One that they were taking around back to terminate was a 2001 blazer that looked like it was just waxed and ready for a sunday cruise in the country... They are blowing all the engines and dismantling the cars and trucks. This recycling center is late model only so if you think about it they are probably blowing up a lot of Vortec and LS engines that hotrodders would love to have for street rods and musclecars... How about watching them lay a brick on the gas pedal of a truck with a 5.3 or 6.0 and know what that same engine will cost you to buy from GM for your next street rod project.... Sad thing is people are turning in these vehicles for newer vehicles with the same engines... They have to get rid of "less efficient engines" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif.. Weather its stimulates the auto industry or not or weather it helps clean out a few million cars is not the issue with me... I'm just a car guy and still like junkyards and budget builds... Oh well, as is life...
On another note, I would like to make videos of them blowing the engines... Car guys like carnage too. At VW shows they build and blow up engines on purpose and people love to watch it https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif Tommy https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif |
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I gotta agree that I really don't like this Cash For Clunkers idea at all but I simply CANNOT BELIEVE that they didn't limit it only to American car companies. It's hard to believe this is the same government that provided the bail-out money and they just had a phenomenal opportunity here to boost American-made sales by a significant amount. I would have really supported the program then, and I might have even bought a car myself. Man, they really dropped the ball on this one and missed giving the American Automakers a MUCH-NEEDED jolt!
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This kind of reminds me of the guns for shoes deals that were so popular for so many years.
You saw more classic and collectible firearms junked for a pair of hightops than you can shake a stick at. What does the industry do for the next 5-10 years until all these new cars are clunkers? You can't force or evenly strongly encourage a false economy without going broke... blair |
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right, the one billion doooooolars was gone in one week!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif
and they now have made another 2 billion more. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif Wow glad im not paying the taxes. PJ |
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Just to bust their ballz I responded to one of the dozen (at last count) emails my local dealer keeps sending me begging me to buy a new car and trade in my "clunker". So after telling them I had a 1970 Dodge with a big gas guzzling engine that said "426 Himee on the top of the motor", here was his response"
"Unfortunately the vehicle must be less than 25 years old to qualify, however I suspect that if that car runs it is worth more than $4500." Do I hear $4600 anyone? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif |
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The dealers around here aren't "blowing up" the engines . Some are draining the oil then adding a gallon of sodium silicate(water glass)then starting up the car and driving to the back lot where the engine soon ties up .Not as impressive to watch.
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Chrysler dealership here was matching the $4500 to make it a $9K total for someone to turn in their older car for a new one.
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Just remember, the government can't give anything to anyone (including car rebates) unless they first take it from someone else.
The only problem with socialism is, that eventually the government runs out of somebody else's money. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif |
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Jim Ferron,
I drive A LOT and put 50,000 miles a year on the used cars I buy, and if I knew a member of this board was a used unit dealer like you anywhere near me, I would buy from him without hesitation! I try to get cars with 30 - 50K on them that are at least several years old, as it makes no sense to me to suffer the immediate and subsequent depreciation you experience just driving them off the lot, I don't care what kind of deal you got. I have been through 5 of them in the last 6 years and doubt I will ever buy new again, and guys like me are out there, so keep the faith! JB |
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I'm waiting for the first story to come out that some woman turns her soon to be ex's Z06 in for a hybrid and documents and films the cars demise.. From the liquid glass to the dismantling.
I just left the recycling yard again and they did tell me also that they are using the liquid glass method to sieze the engines. Definately not going to be as fun to watch... Tommy https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif |
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Expect to see my old clunker truck pullin' the trailer this fall. I guess that it actually is too old now as it was built in 12/1983. And to replace that vehicle and buy new---$$$$$$$$ but I would have to keep it under $44k. Good luck! Besides, a new truck may look pretty, but that 460 has some NADS!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif
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My 95 Silverado now has 382,000 miles. It runs great and hasn't had the heads off yet and what really is amazing is that the 4l60E is untouched as well....
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I have to ask the question. Just what is an American car anymore? Toyota, Honda and Nissan all have plants in the US with American workers putting their cars together. GM, Ford and Chrysler all have plants putting their cars together in other countries and some of their car are rebadged from known imports. After what GM and Chrysler did to their dealers it will take allot more than $4,500.00 before I walk into one of their showrooms again.
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I's sure like to know what Car Brand's people are trading for...
Should have been American Made only cars. I'd say most all the profit's will be going oversea's. Wonder how the Goverment will screw us over on the Healthcare plan...Time will tell, and we'll get the Bill. Kasey |
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Should have been America made purchased cars only, that's for sure. How about folks with not a lot of money to spend on a car, there is less inventory to choose from, so used car prices should go up ???
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I's sure like to know what Car Brand's people are trading for... Should have been American Made only cars. I'd say most all the profit's will be going oversea's. Wonder how the Goverment will screw us over on the Healthcare plan...Time will tell, and we'll get the Bill. Kasey [/ QUOTE ] TV checked the dealers in town today, and found Toyota led everyone with 66 clunkers. GM, and Chrysler were on the botton with the least, and Ford I step above them. How's it going in your town ???????? Kasey |
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Wonder how the Goverment will screw us over on the Healthcare plan...Time will tell, and we'll get the Bill. [/ QUOTE ] By converting the clunker program into the new healthcare program. You turn in your old sick people and they give you a new healthy person with a warranty. Works great for those of you with wives in need of expensive body repairs! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif |
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My wife and I were buying her a used wagon the other day. I asked our salesman what were all those older used cars over there, he replied, "that's are $1,000 or less clunkers we just have been getting in". They were all POS's.
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got 4500 for my worn out 90 chevy van (my $500 tow vehicle). I got a 20k loaded black ford focus 2 door (17 inch wheels, car has 'everything even satelite radio, subwoofer, etc) with rebates out the door for only 11,800. Atleast I did not reward bailed-out GM and chrysler on this handout program, plus there was no way I would buy a kia or similar. chevy tahoe is now the only tow vehicle I have for trailering. But what a deal (rather than complain, I did the evil deed, and got upgraded on the cheap). This program is really insane.
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