Fake yenko!!!!
 

The car listed in the link below is a complete and total fraud!!! I am the fourth owner of this, car and am the original restorer, and redid the car in the late 90's. It's listed as a Cadillac brown, which is incorrect! It was ordered with a Cadillac brown, but GM kicked the order back as Cadillac colors only got put on Cadillacs, so Bill Bosco (original ordering owner) agreed to have it sprayed a Buick brown. I painted it Black. Brian Henderson bought it from me in the early 2000's. He was WELL aware of the TRUE history of the car, including the fact that the engine (although correct and stamped) was NOT the original born with motor.
Bill Bosco ordered and waited for the car, which COMPLETELY flys in the face of Supercar Workshops story of it being an "unconverted Yenko". If that were true, Bosco would have picked it from stock, not ordered and waited!!
I know EVERY owner of this car from the day it was new, and they're ALL still alive!
Once again, Brian Henderson from Supercar Workshop has misrepresented ANOTHER car that is not what it appears!!
I would stand in front of ANY judge or attorney, or be glad to put the 4 previous owners in front of ANYBODY who doubts what I'm saying. Sooo much BS!!! How many times can he get away with this nonsense!!!!
Can't wait to hear from all the haters!!!

https://youtu.be/jsuIjb0YIZw?si=g9iUUh6rnLErISeR

The presenter makes a LOT of misstatements, but he does say that its an unconverted L78 Nova delivered to Yenko Chevrolet. Obviously not worth anywhere near what a converted car would be worth. I don't have a dog in the hunt, but what is it that Brian has misrepresented? Has he said that it maintains the factory installed engine? Or that it was factory painted Cad brown instead of Buick brown? Just trying to understand exactly what you are accusing Brian of.

The original poster joined today and sold the car in early 2000's. Not sure why he has an issue now. The present owner in the video purchased it from several owners after.

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For those who follow the Yenko Novas a bit closer please fill in the blanks.

Is the cars order number / body number in close sequence to the list of 38 cars ordered to be converted? No real reason why a special order paint request could not have been included in the batch of 38 Novas.

It was also my understanding that the original owner had the original 396 removed and that it was converted to a 427ci Super Car, by Warren Dernoshek in his garage at home, which would be a very interesting piece of Yenko History.

Cadillac "Firemist" colors were indeed available on other GM lines. I have a low miles 1970 W-31, which I aquired from the original owner. It is a - - paint code with GM of Canada Paper work as well as dealer paperwork to support the Nottingham Green Fire Mist paint. The original owners wife worked at GM and they followed the car as it was put on a rail car and delivered in primer to the Cadillac Plant from the Oldsmobile plant in order to be painted. (Not my story but the Original Owner).

Warren is a great guy, and true contributor to our hobby. However, supercars are dealer converted. They are not converted at home. At least that’s the criteria here.

I believe it has been listed in your Registry for many years. It doesn't matter to me how its classified, I was just trying to get the details regarding the car, correct.

So wait…the guy who painted it black is upset it’s not the right shade of Bronze?

After watching the video and visiting their website, I couldn’t find a VIN or trim tag, because it’s not for sale. Without that or all of the relative documentation, it’s impossible to prove a claim such as the OP has done. Plus, It’s just a feature car that lives in a museum. And it’s kinda cool.

First, I give very little value to ‘unconverted’ Yenkos compared to any other 375 hp car, but apparently others give great value to these ‘ unconverted’ cars.
I assume this car has the magic mirror cowl tag or body sequence that fits known cars?
That being said, I see a huge difference (atleast in value) if the car was ordered by Yenko for stock with the intention to be a future “ Yenko 427” as opposed to an owner ordered and bought car that was never intended to be converted.

I believe this also may give doubt to other ‘unconverted’ cars. If the poster of this thread is correct( I see no reason for him to lie), the car is being misrepresented in the video.

Assuming original poster is correct, this IS NOT a super car and never was intended to be and should be removed from the registry.

I would not consider this a typical ‘ Yenko’ Nova as the video represents. Other than it being a Nova sold at Yenko. 1 of 38 ?? Nah. Maybe 1 of 1 car that was not an intended ‘Yenko’ nova.

.jmho

Just a quick note, magic mirror tags were 68 Camaros only. None of the 69 Yenko Novas had a magic mirror tag.. Converted or not converted.

Thanks, That’s correct..had a brain fart. I assume the cowl tag or body number sequence is the key to knowing if this is one of the intended Yenko 427 Novas.

Or is the car actually on ‘ the list’ from Yenko? If it is on the list, I wonder if the list may have included cars that were not intended to be converted. If I recall, I think there are documented Yenko Camaros that are not on any list.

It sounds like it was claimed to be unconverted and he's saying that Bill special ordered it but never says anything about the drivetrain...
I agree with him about one detail: Fire-Mist colors were unavailable on other carlines. Jim Mattison has stated this before - the Fire-Mist colors used a special gun so it wasn't an option in non-Cadillac plants.

With all due respect to Mark Pieloch the owner of the American Muscle Car Museum in Melbourne Florida (who is the guy in the video), he is not the end all authority regarding Yenko Camaros or any other muscle cars, so his info is not always 100% accurate.

I believe the car has had several other owners since BH owned it. I wouldn't think he had anything to do with the video.

The OP should take a chill pill as he has no dog in the fight, and hasn't owned the car in at least 20 years. We can have a rational discussion about it here without flaming.

Bill I couldn't agree more. His points are misdirected and after several owners and 20+ years the information presented by present owner video may be based on what he was told by two previous owner or what he has uncovered.

Attacking someone you sold the car to 20 + plus years ago is not prudent or productive.

I need to contact Marlin who is the Yenko Nova authority/historian. I lost his contact and if anyone has it please pm or text.....

I sent Marlin the thread.

I have agree with Stefano - Mark acquired my 3 cars and has them in the museum as well. I have reviewed his videos and yes, he does not always get all the details correct when he or is head guy does the video.

He means well with the intention to share the cars and details as he knows them. No more than that......a superb collection of car for sure. When i visited the museum, i did see a number of cars on display from a variety of other members here. And yes, i did see Brians car there.

Hi Steve!

I read through the discussion and don't really see any 'new' information about this particular Nova. The story has been that the orig owner ordered it with additional options and special paint that was outside of the Chevy colors, this is a bit unusual in that most '-' paint codes on '69 Nova's were to get a Corvette / Chevelle / Camaro color. The color written on the order form is 'Nutmeg', we can debate whether a Cad color was eventually sprayed with a special gun or not, but that is what is listed on the paperwork.

It appears that the question is whether this specific car was initially intended to receive a 427 conversion, and thus was added to a block of cars that Yenko was already ordering for conversion, tuned 396 or stock. This is impossible to answer obviously because nobody knows Yenko's motivation for ordering various inventory, we know he did some radical conversions on the '67 Superman Camaro so anything is possible if/when a buyer steps up - but its not possible to determine his motives for ordering cars.

However....if you look at the data that has been collected, especially after we got the data from the LB 427 Nova found in WI a couple of years ago, there does now appear to be some logic which has only fueled additional questions, as it typically does.

Putting aside this nutmeg car and the PGN a/t car, and just looking at the 9 cars that have been found indicates that there appears to be at least 2 distinct 'blocks' of Nova's ordered by Yenko per build week; 5 in one week and 4 in another. There also appears to be a VERY significant difference between these two blocks.


1. This first block of '69 Nova's were built in 01A, and we know of 5 of them. These 5 have VIN's ranging from 393985 - 394331. There are 4 additional VIN's for Nova's that have not been found that are also within that range of found cars, so we conclude that there are at least 9 Nova's built in 01A.

It should also be noted that 2 of these 4 unfound cars were never titled in PA, that becomes important at some point for these cars....

The LB car from WI is one of the 5 found cars in 01A, and the trim tag data from that car showed a clear indicator - to me at least!! The BDY numbers for those 5 cars end as follows in order of VIN sequence: 254965, 952, 954, 955, & 956. I don't think it is a mere coincidence that these BDY numbers are sequential. The Nova with BDY ending in 953 belongs in this data set as well, and it is known that all of the COPO cars ordered by Yenko (and some other dealers) have sequential BDY numbers. I don't know if non-COPO cars would also have sequential BDY #'s. However, it reported / documented that these 5 cars all have BV rears, and cars built after 01A have been found with BT (3.55's) rears. So, the question that we have been trying to answer is whether the initial block of Nova's ordered by Yenko included a COPO for BV rears with 4.10 gears which apparently was no longer available for Nova's in '69, and thus documents his motive that these cars were intended to be 427 conversions. This doesn't mean they were all converted, but could indicate that he ordered them with a COPO rear gearset to coincide with the intended L72.

Note that none of these 5 cars were sold from Yenko Chev, only via other dealers - including the 'first' one that was resold through Hugh White Chev in OH.

2. The second batch of cars appears to be 04B. 4 of the found cars were built in 04B and using VIN extrapolation we could easily add 3 more. These BDY numbers are close but not sequential - they could become such if more data were available, but.... The key is that these 4 cars were all reported to be non-converted, have BT rears and were sold from Yenko. I'm sure Yenko sold some converted Novas, but the data indicates that other dealers sold them.

The majority of the remaining VIN's could very easily be included in these two build weeks and strengthen the case that there were but 2 blocks of cars ordered, one of which could have included a COPO for the BV rears, but I'd like more data before doing so.

So, where do the Nutmeg and PGN cars fit into these two blocks? Well, they don't really!

The PGN car was built in 02D with a BDY # (226913) well outside the range of the 01A cars, and its an a/t with a 3.55 gear. We'll leave it stand on its own in term of significance.

The Nutmeg car was built in 04D with a BDY # (393464) well outside the range of the 04B cars, and I believe it was a 3.55 gear. I remember looking at it when the OP had it at the WoW show in Pittsburgh and thought it was a neat car, but was far more interested in Joe's Harrell Chevelle that day! Brian however had done some homework on the car and believed it to be something unique. The story of it being converted later by Yenko's mechanic at his home was interesting, but where did the part about it being 'intended for an L72 conversion' come from - especially since it was built so much later than the other 'found' Nova's? Well, converted cars in '67 / '68 that were sold at Yenko apparently received a $500 credit, presumably for their L78 short block assy and perhaps just a general discount. The original paperwork for the Nutmeg car shows a $500 discount. One can debate whether this discount is specific for a short block and thus indicates an intended conversion - or not. But, it is a bit unusual to offer such a steep discount on a special ordered car since its already 'sold' so to speak, and the logic is that the discount was a predicate for the intended conversion.

Note, this is first time sharing this BLD & BDY info in public. I've only partially shared this M.Miller, J.Barr and Schoneye for discussion purposes as we have been trying to figure out the BV vs BT and whether a COPO was involved. So, flame away if you want to, but you are all welcome to gather your own data, compile it into information, test a hypothesis and if you're bold enough - share your conclusions with the rest of us! :D

Marlin, thanks for sharing such a well prepared and insightful information. The research you've done is amazing and sharing it is of great benefit to this site and especially Yenko enthusiast.

Annnnnnnd that is why we have Marlin !

Thank you for taking the time to compose this and post it up -

K

Thanks Steve! Life has been focused on raising 3 good humans; my oldest graduates this Saturday from Purdue University with a Mech Eng degree & a minor in economics, and starts his job at Lilly Pharma in July. Amanda graduates HS in a month and is off to Millikin University, Decatur, IL in Aug for Musical Theater (hi Dennis C!! :D ) and my 3rd is a rising Jr in HS. Looking forward to attending a SuperCar Reunion in the near future once life slows down a little!

Marlin provided all the information available. If the original poster has further issues, take it directly to that person.

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