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The crooks aren't only in Washington, all you need to do is look just a little closer to the MD. area!!

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Charley,

How about if the trim tag was swithed on a car?? Would that make a difference for the balance......LOL. Yep, another trim tag job!

Jerry

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704ever. Jerry doesn't roll 6 figure cars annually.He travels all over the country doing reports for fees. They are paying customers. He is supposed to let it go ? 150.00 has different meanings to all of us. Just because Jacquie and her husband move high dollar cars, it doesn't mean they don't owe the 150.00. Simply amazing.

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Your kidding me, right???

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Some people just dont get it?? Do you think bashing Jerry is going to help this hobby? Are there honestly people that believe he is corrupt of behind this?? GIVE ME A BREAK! All it boils down to is someone passing the buck and blaming someone else and a bunch of people adding fuel to the fire.

All your doing is forcing another knowledgeable guy that is available to the public to think twice about what he does or offers to collectors. I for one am no expert so I do value his knowledge, granted I research every car I own before I buy it too but its always good to have and experts advise when needed be it Jerry, Galen, Ed, or who ever..

Unless the Expert is the person who RESTORED the car, take the report for what it is there professional opinion.

It kind of reminds me of when the US went after Sadam Huesainn insted of Bin Laden.. (Gotta go after someone) look where that got us! Why not use the effort to track dont the guy who welded those number in???

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Michael, Michael, Michael,

Why can't we all get along. You are one angry man or should I say little boy? Call me and we'll talk about it. Did you take any english classes in school??? It's You're kidding me.....not your. Sorry....

Jerry

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No I'm not kidding. 150.00 is small enough that if someone stiffs you it is too much bother to chase someone very hard over it. It is much easier to withhold the product until paid in full. It happens everywhere in business and is a good practice because there are a ton of guys that rely on it being too much work to chase them. I'm not inferring that Jacquie and he husband are in that bunch but Jerry has no way of knowing who will pay and who won't.

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No, he's not "kidding".

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Jerry,

That is absolutely not true and you know it. We were not the ones that canceled an appointment, it was you and you cancelled more than once. We were always available for you. Furthermore, you told us that you had to be paid in full before you would book a flight and that's what we did. We sent you exactly the fee you requested well before you came to Oklahoma. You never said anything to either of us indicating that we owed you more money. You know full well that when I found an error on one of my reports several months later and contacted you about it, that was the first I ever heard about us oweing you additional money because you changed your flight. I told you then that we paid what you had quoted us, that we did not cause you to change your flight, but that if you felt that we owed you additional money I would pay. You did not give me an amount because you said you were busy and didn't know how much. You said you would get back with me and you never did. I contacted you three more times over the next couple of months asking you to please let me know how much I needed to send so I could get my report corrected. You told me you were busy and didn't have the time and would let me know later. You never did let me know and you never did correct my report. Here, today, on this bulletin board, is the first time I have seen the amount of $150 ever mentioned by you.

I am sorry that this is being brought up on a public board, but to be accused of not paying my bills when that is absolutely not true is unacceptable. The truth, Jerry, is that you were paid exactly what you stated your fee was before you ever left home, you did not book a flight until you received that payment, we did not cancel any appointment, and I was never told that we owed you any additional charges until I contacted you months later and even then I was not told how much. I was also never told that the reports I received were anything other than what I beleived to be official, final reports...not rough drafts.

What I was saying in my original post, was that the reports on the internet are exactly the same reports I received and I did not pay for "rough drafts". We paid you what you asked to fly you to Oklahoma to inspect and authenticate our cars and we believed that what we were receiving from you was nothing less than official Jerry MacNeish reports.

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Thank you Charley,

Hope to see you at SEMA next week. Leaving early in the AM and going to the Las Vegas Nationals this weekend for the big NHRA event.

Jerry

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Why can't we all get along should be followed by a question mark Jerry. As far as English classes go, I'm sure I've taken more than you have. I'm sorry I missed the the proper ' on you're. Sooner or later most people will find out what you are all about!

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Jacquie

That is not totally true. I dealt with Glenn and told him about the extra fees. I was told that the check would be sent to me for the balance. It never arrived. When I booked the trip, Glenn told me that the date would not work as he was out of town that week. That is why I switched the flights, thus adding an extra charge to the trip.

Glenn also told me not to say anything to the other gentleman in OK City about how the fees were broken down for the trip. As I remember, Glenn paid me and charged the other guy a larger percentage for my trip. I will have to look through my records to know all details.

When you contacted me, it was about a color mistake on the 67 Camaro. That is when I responded that a balance was due.

Jerry

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Typical Scumbag!! For a lousy 150.00!! You must really need it!!!

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Michael,

They already have found out. That is why 2008 will be our most successful year ever!

Jerry

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So Charley, you know absolutely nothing about this or me and you are stepping out saying I stiffed someone? Really Charley, how do you know that? Because Jerry said so? I don't stiff anyone, Never have! I pay my bills...all of them...on time. I resent being presented as someone who does any less.

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Michael,

I wonder if you would say these nice wonderful things to my face......or do you just make a habbit of hiding behind a keyboard?

Jerry

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The evidence revealed shows the car to be a re-body. Who knew what, and when, I can't say for sure. I also can't say for sure who was fraudelent. Just that I can deduct my own opinion.

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704EVER lets hear you story?? You definately have a grudge so how did Jerry screw you?? I cant believe anyone would keep this up and make comments like that unless something was behind it.

Also Im not referring to the Jacquie a post Ive meet both of them and actually sold them a car a couple of years ago and they're both real nice people.. but you referring to the fact that you would let someone slide on 150 dollars??

Question can I borrow $150?? as far as payment back you'll let it slide right? I do have quite a few 6 figure cars..

I will leave this post alone now and maybe put alittle effort forth to see if we can dig the name up of the builder. Maybe you can do the same after all this post wouldnt be happening if the REAL CROOK didnt weld those numbers in right?

P.S. No need to correct my spelling or engish I only have a 10 grade education.

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I am thinking that this BS has gone on long enough...

We are adults here...so lets act like them now... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

I know Charley...and I know Jacquie...and what I do know is that they are both fine people.

The majority of the stuff said here could have been taken to PM's or...maybe even not even been said at all.

Why doesn't everyone give it a rest for the night...and take a deep breath? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Please read my update from Jerry on the CRG WEB SITE.

Ed

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You don't really need to hear my story, Jerry knows what it is. And I'll leave it at that, I'm over it, but I don't like seeing it happen to other people. Some time soon this BS needs to STOP!! I'm here for the love of the hobby and the cars, not to get robbed and it hasn't only been me, there have been others. Take this for what it's worth, first time customers in Md. don't do very well.

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Sorry Jacquie. It wasn't meant for you specifically . It was meant in a context to 704ever. He seems to think that 150.00 should be ignored because it isn't alot of money and my statement was meant as a example.

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Jacquie

That is not totally true. I dealt with Glenn and told him about the extra fees. I was told that the check would be sent to me for the balance. It never arrived. When I booked the trip, Glenn told me that the date would not work as he was out of town that week. That is why I switched the flights, thus adding an extra charge to the trip.

Glenn also told me not to say anything to the other gentleman in OK City about how the fees were broken down for the trip. As I remember, Glenn paid me and charged the other guy a larger percentage for my trip. I will have to look through my records to know all details.

When you contacted me, it was about a color mistake on the 67 Camaro. That is when I responded that a balance was due.

Jerry

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Yes, Jerry, please do look through your records. This will be the 3rd time you will have told me you will do that. Your recollection of events does not agree with mine nor Glenns. I vividly remember that you cancelled your appointment with us more than once, it was not us that cancelled. If there were additional charges for flight changes it was not because of us and we shouldn't have been charged. I offered to go ahead a pay you, even though I knew it was not right. Because the report was wrong and I wanted a correct one. It's very sad Jerry, that you are trying to make it look like I am someone that goes around "stiffing" people. Just your saying that was obviously all it took to convince Charley as well as some others. Surely you are not denying that I asked you to please let me know how much to send you more than once and that you never did let me know??

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I am thinking that this BS has gone on long enough...

We are adults here...so lets act like them now... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

I know Charley...and I know Jacquie...and what I do know is that they are both fine people.

The majority of the stuff said here could have been taken to PM's or...maybe even not even been said at all.

Why doesn't everyone give it a rest for the night...and take a deep breath? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Okay, I'm done. Thanks Bruce....I needed that! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...BruceRocks.gif

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I am not accusing anyone of anything... just giving my perspective on the money thing.
I run a large business where $150 is about 1% of an avg invoice. If someone stiffs me for $150 I will ask them about it everytime they call... it's not the damn money it's the principal. I prefer not to do business with someone I can't trust to pay their bills.

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I will say that Jacquie has no problem paying people...even when they flat out refuse to take payment ( looked at a car for her out here and wanted no money)...as it's just cool to do it for a friend...she still insisted https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif and told me she'd be mad at me.

I've already had Annie hit me because I "fibbed" to her and Rick...I didn't need Jacquie's wrath as well...LOL https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

I am done as well...other than to say...Andy, I will be practicing on the go cart track (eventually) so you better watch out https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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As an outsider from all of this let me get this right.

1)Jerry got the color wrong on a car for Jacquie!!

2)Jerry got the BJ car wrong!!!!

3)Jerry got something wrong for 704EVER!!!

Again as an outsider to all involved, who would hire such a "service" to form an opinion about a car. What makes Jerry the head master on a camaro anyway. I am not sure. I mean what "makes" him someone who is supposed to be an authority on camaros any differant than someone else that is very knowledgable about camaros. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif I am not trying to ruffle any feathers, I am just trying to understand and learn. No offense is meant or dirrected at anyone.

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I have a question, are the draft and final reports noted as such (draft only, final report)?

Mike

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704ever..... You apparently are not over whatever pissed you off about Jerry in some past life. You appear to have used this site and issue as a podium for some past grudge. If you are going to slam someone, please stick to facts. I'm trying to moderate here and you come bashing based on something we know nothing about. You have managed to make yourself the focus of the thread and the person I am getting complaints about. Don't make me use my vast amounts of Grand Yenko.net Poohbah power to stifle you on this site.

I'm not siding with Jerry. I am just trying to make sense of this mess and not let anyone get trashed over something we know nothing about.

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I have a question, are the draft and final reports noted as such (draft only, final report)?

Mike

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That is what I was also wondering. If the car owner had a "draft" with no indication of such why would they bother paying for a "final" or even showing it if the draft looked fine and gave a more favorable description ( no mention of rebody, restamp or resto drive train)?

The documents shown online as the three page report looked very official and matter of fact. They gave no indication of pending verification or the ever present underwriters reveiw.
I respect Jerry since he has said that it is true that there is no way to tell if the hidden vins were changed or if the car is a rebody when the metal work is perfect.

This seems to be just another lesson for us all. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

Stick a fork in it.

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I respect Jerry since he has said that it is true that there is no way to tell if the hidden vins were changed or if the car is a rebody when the metal work is perfect.

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Not true. I believe 90% of the rebodies out there can be determined provided you are able to remove interior parts and examin other dated chassis components.

You cannot remove a trim tag and put it back without visible signs that it had been off the car at one time.
Study trim tag rivets from underneath the dash instead of the engine bay side and you'll see what I am talking about https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif.

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Wow, what drama!

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I have a question, are the draft and final reports noted as such (draft only, final report)?

Mike

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That is what I was also wondering. If the car owner had a \"draft\" with no indication of such why would they bother paying for a \"final\" or even showing it if the draft looked fine and gave a more favorable description ( no mention of rebody, restamp or resto drive train)?

The documents shown online as the three page report looked very official and matter of fact. They gave no indication of pending verification or the ever present underwriters reveiw.
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I cant agree any further.besides didnt jerry himself say it was only a three page report?
now is it four?if true jerry should have sent the fourth page only with disclosure of it being a restoration drivetrain.and holding the first three that says official authentication.

you know,while thinking about this i think the whole think stinks of fraud all around.a separate piece of paper saying restamp and nothing on the first three pages look like fraud to me.

kind of makes you wonder.

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does jerry authenticate other cars as well?like COPO cars and other model checvy\'s or just camaro\'s??i\'m sorry but this really opens up everybodies eyes to \"real\"cars anymore.

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I don't think there is any extra page, it was a finalized version with the details added about the drivetrain and the tags for sale on Ebay. I think a lot of people read the report and translate it into what they want it to say. If you don't understand comments on it, you should talk to CHP for clarification. I don't understand why so many people are attacking Jerry when he flagged the car appropriately with his final report. The seller is the one who decided to deceive people by showing the preliminary report with the list of incorrect items.

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fastess...you must have read something different than what is posted on the CRG site. The first page, last line, clearly states "restoration drive train". It has 3 pages. I don't see anywhere that says there is a 4th page. Where is that info at?

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fastess...you must have read something different than what is posted on the CRG site. The first page, last line, clearly states \"restoration drive train\". It has 3 pages. I don\'t see anywhere that says there is a 4th page. Where is that info at?

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ok i will go bACK AND READ THE REPORT AGAIN.this is where i saw it.i still dont see reatoration drivetrain on it.did KW edit this report?


see it below?

http://www.freeproxyserver.net/index...contents01.htm


http://www.freeproxyserver.net/index.php...eish_Page_1.pdf

http://www.freeproxyserver.net/index.php...eish_Page_2.pdf

http://www.freeproxyserver.net/index.php...eish_Page_3.pdf

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That's the preliminary report and not the final report. Jerry posted the final report over at CRG.

Go to page 11 of the thread and it's in the top post, posted as an attachment.

CRG discussion

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what is wrong with me? all i can see is text.i dont see a pic,scan or link to any final report?all i can pull up is the links i posted above.


can somebody post a picture here of the final report?or a link? i dont see it!

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what is wrong with me? all i can see is text.i dont see a pic,scan or link to any final report?all i can pull up is the links i posted above.
can somebody post a picture here of the final report?or a link? i dont see it!

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You're not alone....I don't see any attachments, links, or pictures https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif