Yes, there is. I'm not familiar with the exact specifics, but this is accurate.

Also, I'm on a contract for consulting with one of the Federal Home Loan Banks, and let me tell you, they are taking these ESG (Environmental, Social, and Governance) Scores very seriously, and from the Board down. These have the potential to reshape how business operates and credits is extended to individuals and businesses, and not in a good way. If your ESG score does not meet the requirements of some unknown entity, you may not get that loan. It's a really scary scenario potentially.

Finally, someone with a little sense. Maybe we need to hold off for now on going full-bore on EVs when most electrical grids across the nation can barely handle the existing homes on it now. Maybe Hybrids for a while, and a little more experimentation with Hydrogen and other possible alternatives?

Lamborghini CEO on Going All Electric: ‘We Don’t Need to Decide Now’

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...c64b894bfc6bc3

It's not 10 years. It's the length of the warranty.

UGH:

Chevy Corvette Electric Sedan Coming 2025, Corvette SUV To Follow: Report

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...eee91e5d1805df

GM looks to be utterly and completely disconnected from what made the company great in the first place. first they tried to badge engineer the Camaro name onto the Blazer platform back in 2019 now this...

this was kinda shocking

the Rivian R1T ran a 11.9 ET at 109.9 mph

beating last years quickest truck

Ram 1500 TRX 12.7 ET 106.5 mph

Has elements of a Porsche Cayenne

Exactly. More of a "Global" approach.

Gave someone a thrill ride in my Lucid today. He said "Oh my God" If you ride in or drive one it will change your thinking.

It doesn't go VROOM VROOM. That's a no sale for most of the people here. :hmmm:

It's not just vroom-vroom. It is the obvious corporate pandering that is afoot here.

Raising the price of the Camaro $4000.000 this year all so you can discount the Bolt... .

The pressure being exerted from every angle from those who would like to cattle herd buyers to EV's is on display, as much as the fact that gM tried to do too much too quickly and people have started to develop pattern recognition on the go that allows them to recognize the obvious.

So we have the latest:

Insulting the tradition and the name of the Corvette, so you can slap the brand onto an EV in the hopes you can get people to "TRY" something that do not want to buy.

I predict that the harder gM pushes the more difficult this will become.

Giving people what they want is one of those simple laws of nature... kind of like the fact that sane people do not attempt to swim upstream against the current of the water... But perhaps there is some hope: gM has moved the goal posts to go "all electric" now to 2035.

The question is will gM even make it to 2025 at this rate?

And just to say, I'm not against EV's in general. I think the torque and instant speed is pretty awesome, and if going to EV's actually lessens polluting the earth, even better and who isn't all for that? But I'll add that I think Climate Change is a lie and that the science is very far from settled as it's often stated. And if they think by some countries going away from fossil fuels will fight CC while China and other countries build new coal plants every month, they're dumb. Not to mention, can you imagine the electrical grid with everyone plugging in their EV's every night? Rolling brownouts will probably be the least that will happen.

I want to come out and say that I not against EV's either. What I am against is being pushed, shamed, or forced to buy one.

WHY DO I FEEL THIS WAY?

Are they "green good for the environment? The amount of "carbon" required to make an EV is way way higher than that of ICE. Further when an ICE reaches end of life it can be recycled in multiple ways. Recycling ICE gave us the HOT ROD culture that exists yet today.

Where do all these EV batteries go when they reach the end of service life?

Who knows, likely, (along with millions of toxic solar panels) to a landfill of course!

Is that good for the environment?

In order to be carbon neutral wind, tidal, solar, needs to be ready and able to do the job. It is not. The decision makers know it is not and that's why we are hearing about potential rolling black outs and shutting off your AC in your home in the middle of summer.

Finally EV's are powered by coal and natural gas. This is simply a fact and to attempt to argue otherwise will make such a person look silly.

And this is EXACTLY why the WEF is now advocating for the elimination of cars - both ICE and EV.



here: https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=172583

Finally. The chicken is home to roost.

Mary said "20 EV's on the market by 2023".

Well it is now 2023 model year and there are THREE available to buy now.

The Bolt
The Hummer
The Lyric.

Let the countdown begin. We have 11 months left in model year 2023 GM needs to bring 17 more to market this model year. Anybody want to bet on gM making it happen?

----My wish would be that GM fails the 29 EV dateline!....Bill S

If they have any interest in making the deadline they will just through trim packages on these three and call those the 20. Mission accomplished by sleight of hand.

Maybe we need another option besides just gas-powered ICE and EV's?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other...77e35202d6f74e

Hydrogen is the future. It's just more expensive (today) to implement than EV. All we have to do is substitute Hydrogen for Gasoline in our infrastructure. We can still use most of the foundation of our existing engines. Only the intake has to be changed to accept Hydrogen.

Yes Hydrogen will put a strain on our existing electric infrastructure. But not as much as EV does.

Back in the 1960s many car companies in Europe offered Propane as a fuel alternative to Gasoline. All that was required was a change to the carb.

Propane was used by American OEMs to test their engines. I know for a fact Chrysler used it on all 426 Hemi installations.

Mary, Mark, and Joe.

The star of the show is the Z06 which unfortunately is on production constraint for the REST of the model year.

So they introduced the new Mustang yesterday, and it's still an ICE for now. Ford also stated that they will continue to build the Mustang with an ICE, while GM continues to commit to a full EV platform. I think that's going to end up being to GM's peril.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/14/busin...ang/index.html

You guys know way more than I do but is this not true? Additionally, I know the truck is cool, a buddy has one, but, loaded up the range is reduced by something like 70%. All for tech, but when it is ready.

I attended the Inaugural Detroit Concours d’Elegance this past weekend and attended the toney "Motor City Party" (Gala) the night before.

Initially we were treated to a one on one interview with Ed Wellburn and then later a panel discussion where senior automobile company officials from the Detroit three told us all how great EV's were. The response from the roughly 200 assembled guests in attendance was polite but tepid at best.
No questions were permitted from guests during the panel.

There were two cars on display at the party, the first the Cadiliac Cyclone (on the design turntable in the panel discussion room) which was very well received - and later at dinner (in a separate room) the brand new Cadillac LYRIQ.

Here is where it got interesting because the LYRIQ is a literal behemoth in person. I am talking like Hummer H2 proportions - and I observed correctly that while in the "strolling dinner" room we were participants in a grand marketing experiment (the psychological kind) - all put on by GM of course.

So we were the mice and the LYRIQ was the cheese.

Well,- we were all just assured how "great EV's were" minutes before, however interest in looking at the LYRIQ was just as restrained and tepid as the applause minutes earlier.

Very few people I observed showed any interest in the LYRIQ at all, and finally at the end of the evening one tipsy lady decided to actually sit in it and predictably two photographers appeared out of the corners of the room to take her picture (multiple times and literally from all angles) when she was sitting in it -treating her like she was a movie star.

The $300 dollar per ticket Motor City guests there were all older and certainly well qualified to buy the LYRIQ and therefore presumably this event would be sure to represent the EXACT buyer segment for the LYRIQ- yet these people showed little to no interest in it at all which I found fascinating to observe.

The next day at the Concours d’Elegance field the gM EV display contained the Hummer EV, the LYRIQ again and the the soon to be released Traverse, and the Blazer EV's.

Just like the LYRIQ these vehicles are simply HUGE and the styling looks forced as the dimensional stretch required to fit the look of the vehicle on to the center battery bay distorts the vehicle proportions to an extent to where the styling takes on a cartoonish appearance. Very few people at all at the gM EV display. By contrast the ICE Z06 and legacy GM vehicle display over on the museum side was MOBBED all day.

There is a lesson here: MARY are you listening??

REVERSE COURSE NOW BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE and maintain your ICE production capability and offerings because you are going to have to - in order to stay in business.

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If you can imagine the amount of money that will be spent to make a wholesale change from ICE vehicles to EVs, especially in a relatively short timeframe, then think that there are wealthy investors who will make absolutely obscene amounts of money on the entire situation. Those are the people for which this push for EVs equation makes a lot of $en$e.

An excellent non partisan video summary of where gM finds itself in 2023. Based upon the interview Mary gave I am no longer sure where the date definite "IS" pertaining to gM going "all electric".

The normal approach is to dump the brand segments that are not selling well straight to the rental companies.

Still true today: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a4...tric-vehicles/

What a disaster GM is in now, and is going to continue to be in. What a shame.

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Outright sickening what's become of the once strong/proud GM empire, Durant/Kettering/McLaughlin/Cole/Knudsen etc certainly can't be resting in peace w/ the blind leadership of recent years also sadder yet is what's to come.:crazy:
Below pic same as posted a few days back in the 'Can't make this stuff up' thread, fits here too...
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~ Pete

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Alfred Sloan is surely rolling in his grave. The whole EV scenario, for Chevrolet at least, reminds me of the copper cooled engine fiasco that could have brought Chevrolet to its knee's back in 1923, fortunately they pulled out at the last minute much to Charles Kettering's chagrin. History has proven air cooled engines can work, but not in big cars most Americans enjoy driving.

Tesla and others have proven electric cars have their place too, it will be interesting to see where the market, infrastructure and technology takes us in the next 10-20 years. As a entry level(i.e. cheap) manufacturer I don't see why Chevrolet feels it must compete with Tesla, but I'm no Alfred Sloan, unfortunately for GM I don't think Mary Barra is either.

gM plans to take the gentle approach with us non conformist types... Ford not so much.

The plan moving forward is that gM dealers that sell Cadillac and Buick will receive buy out offers for dealers that are unwilling or unable to spend the money required to fully service electric vehicles.

Dealers that agree to take the buyouts will only be allowed to sell Chevrolets which positions Chevy as the gM internal combustion brand moving forward.

FORD

Ford has made similar conditional requirements to its dealers. Ford wants to move toward 100 percent online sales as they dismiss the direct sales partners that built the company brand over the past century. The end goal for FORD is “no inventory … and 100 percent remote pickup and delivery.” Long-time dealers will be forced into repairs only.

Ford also plans to restrict parts inventories which will by design - frustrate people wanting to quickly repair existing ICE fleets. This a less than subtle NUDGE for Ford owners to simply give up - and buy an EV of course. This Ford experiment will be interesting to watch because it will require Ford to be successful with BOTH its lobbying efforts to overturn state laws that require vehicle sales to be through dealers - and the avalanche of litigation that is sure to follow.

Ford news link here: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/09...nt-set-prices/

Now for those of you who have put all the pieces together the death of the CAMARO is 100 percent caused by gM and declining sales are likewise 100% caused by gM as they intentionally sabotaged the brand beginning in 2019 with the torridly bad refresh of the body. Since then:

Zero advertising for Camaro

Seemingly continious and intentional assembly bottlenecking at Grand River Assembly Plant resulting in pissed off customers that ordered Camaros.

Price increases-an obvious attempt to price buyers out of the car... .



You see if the Cadillac is going to be exclusively electric and the Camaro is built on the Cadillac platform - then Camaro either becomes EV or goes away.

This was and is an internal battle within gM of course-- with the some holding out hope that the Camaro would be built at Boling Green on the new C-8 platform to save it and that's why these renders keep popping up on the internet.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Attention, potential car buyers: New electric vehicle charging stations are on their way to highway locations near you.

All 50 states received final approval Tuesday to begin construction on a first nationwide network of EV charging stations that places one roughly every 50 miles (80 kilometers) along interstate highways, part of the Biden administration’s plan to spur widespread adoption of zero-emission cars.

The Transportation Department said it had OK’d EV charger plans from a last set of 17 states, triggering the release of $1.5 billion in federal funds to all jurisdictions nationwide — or $5 billion over five years — to install or upgrade chargers along 75,000 miles (120,000 kilometers) of highway from coast to coast, with a goal of 500,000 EV chargers nationwide. Plans for the other 33 states and the District of Columbia were approved earlier this month.

By year’s end, drivers could start seeing expansions and upgrades to existing highway EV stations in states such as California, Colorado, Florida and Pennsylvania that now feature at least four fast-charger ports, enabling EVs to fully recharge in about an hour.

Construction of new EV charging locations could begin by next spring.

https://www.kob.com/ap-new-mexico/st...rging-network/

Oh boy... an unknown wait time to make it to an open charging spot- then an HOUR to charge?

Hard Pass.

Help me to understand this a bit. How will the kwh rate be set for these stations? Will it be a flat rate nationwide rate or locally set? Since the taxpayer is footing the bill for the install (and presumed upkeep), the only cost will be the kwh? Also, it seems that this is putting the government in direct competition with private enterprise who might want to install charging stations? It would be like the government building gas stations next to Sunoco's etc. I bet that would go over well. Maybe this has been discussed and thought through.

"Maybe this has been discussed and thought through."

Not likely.

From the US Dept. Of Transportation

Historic Step: All Fifty States Plus D.C. and Puerto Rico Greenlit to Move EV Charging Networks Forward, Covering 75,000 Miles of Highway

https://www.transportation.gov/brief...ve-ev-charging

How do they set the price of a gallon of gas on the US Interstates. They are definitely not the same for each state.

Sorry - no taxpayer money involved - Monolopy Money - just spend what you don't have knowing it will never be held accountable for.

The Govt. is paying for it but it is not running the EV charging stations. It will be up to the individaul states to do that.

And everyone charging their vehicles pays how much, and by what means for this service?
I assume most will pay by credit card? Everything about EV's are such a Joke when you look at the WHOLE process.

Bill

Somehow this doesn't make me feel any better :frown: