Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

One more time. I hope this works. If not, you can probably view the link.

Nick

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/241...istration2.GIF

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

As you can see in my post above, the CT registration looks nothing like the paperwork provided by the seller of the engine. I would think he has to have a document like this if he was registering the car all those years.

HMMM, I wonder if this will stir anything else up with him??

Nick

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q...z13/zl1REG.jpg

Here is another registration from the State of Confusion. Since none of this turned about to be real and it was all for entertainment we can laugh about it now.
Merry Christmas!

Chris https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

They are two different documents. He wouldn't fake his document and include the problem of paying his property taxes. I don't doubt that his paperwork is real. I just don't believe he ever had ZL1 # 66...Good job though Motion...

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Charley,
I've kept my mouth shut so far as I've read all of this, but I have to say that a bunch of guys here are really jumping to conclusions that are very bitter and accusitory. No ONE here knows the facts yet. Ask questions now, but don't try to pass judgement just yet.
And for CHRIST'S sake, and I mean that literally, this is Christmas Eve. Let it go guys. There are more important things!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NONE of you are going to change the history that is unfolding by your personal comments!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Verne https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

What Nick has appears to be a title document. Voodoo-Bill has a registration. I agree with Charley that the document that voodoo provided is an official state form. Plus not many would post a document for the world to see that shows you had some delinquent property taxes. Got give voodoo credit for having the balls to let the world see he had a little problem in 1999. Plus I see a fold line in the scan on voodoo's registration. I do believe it is real.

Now I have a question. Do states check a data base to see if there is another open title or registartion on the vin that they are issuing a title and or registration on in their state. Other than the title surrended to them by the person requesting the title and registration. This may explain why there is a registration in CT and a car in AZ, with the same vin.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I have been watching the comments on ZL1 #66 and would like to add my 2 cents since it is no secret I have some credible knowledge on this car. No one has ever contacted my about this car directly for starters. I have never listed the car for sale on ebay or anywhere else. One of my salesman at the time exactly 3 years ago posted a listing on this site to try to find out some information about this car we had coming in so he could use the information to help sell it and no information has ever been posted anywhere else. The car we were going to purchase was ZL-1 #66. It had originated from the Pat McGrouder collection. It positivly did not have the original #'s matching engine in it but a correct motor that appartently was located sometime in the 1980's and supposedly some kind of experimental motor from the era. I do not know what was in the car previous to that but believe it was a small block to the best of my memory. I did see the titles on the car and do not remember exactly what was there but I do remember that the title was from at least the mid 1980's and pre-dated when McGrouder owned the car and he never got a fresh title. I also think there was a title from the previous owner back in the 70's who may have been the original owner and he traded it for another ZL-1 after blowing up the motor in car #66. I cannot document the story but did actually see paperwork back to the 1970's. The owner of the motor for car #66 on ebay did call the police and they tried to find the car but I did not have physical possession of it at the time and could not help them. McGrouder was immediatly contacted and claimed to have resolved the situation and was the victorious party in the legal battle and that is the last I heard of car #66. I hope this posting sheds some light on the subject if nothing else.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Thank you https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Now if the original motor was blown, and my limited understanding is that some or all of the ZL1's saw some serious race time and this secnero is very plausible....what is voodoo selling - a blown motor, a restamped motor, the original motor and it is not blown or ???

This still leaves the question of the CT registration which is clearly at odds with the paper work that goes back to the 70's and 80's. Due to the extreme value of these cars and engines it has stirred a lot of dust and dirt and the whole truth seems to be mostly missing.

If I were the owner of #66, I would have my attorney on speed dial right now, for this auction and these state of CT documents sure are mudding up the water on ownership and authenticity.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Thankyou Desert Autosport for checking in.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/241...istration2.gif

<font color="blue">....not a registration </font>

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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Hello again everyone,

I just wanted to show you all a real CT registration from a 69 Camaro I just purchased. CT does not require a title for a car this old, but they do need to perform a physical inspection before they'll issue a registration. I know this because the seller of the car I purchased had to have one done before he got the reg. You will see this looks nothing like the paperwork provided by VOODOO. I hope I can get it loaded properly for all to see. I've been following these threads and was surprised to now see that Bill is looking for yet another ZL1. This is really getting to be quite a story now. What can you believe if anything at all anymore. If the file doesn't load properly, bare with me. I'll try to get it up ASAP.

Nick

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Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Hello
Just to let everybody know the document that MWCC posted is a CT Bill of Sale and not a registration. You can go to the DMV or any local police department and get a stack of them and the buyer and seller fills it out. The document that Vodoo posted is a CT registration form and is the form you get when you renew your registration. The only way to get this form is if you already have that vehicle registered. Renewal is one to two years depending on the type of registration. As far as the model designation on the registration form, the person registering it puts that on when the vehicle is first registered. In this case, x442L1, and not Camaro. DMV does not care what you put there and they do not have a book to show if the info you are putting is correct. You could register your car as a "Chevy Mustang" if you really wanted and they would never say anything to you. As far as inspections go things have changed in recent years. Inspections have always and still are only done the 1st time you register a vehicle and not at renewel or any other time. Up to approximately 2000 or so you had to go through inspection for any vehicle 10 years old or older or an out of state vehicle. This was a saftey inspection only and they did not verify hidden VINS. They verified the VIN plate to the registration and that was it. Saftey inspection only to look at tires, brakes, lights, etc. The only time VINS were checked was with a salvaged title. After the change in 2000 or there abouts, there is no saftey inspection. They now verify 2 VINS on the car. They check the VIN plate to anything else with a VIN and that includes a motor or tranny. If not matching #'s then they check the hidden VIN. As far as titles go in CT, the DMV only requires titles on 1981 or newer cars. If you register a 1981 or older vehicle and give the DMV a title they will destroy it and you will never see it again. For the police investigation in this case, it would almost certainly not take place. As somebody said earlier this would be a civil matter and the police may (depending on the local department) document it with a report, but there would not be an investigation, unless it could be proven that there was some type of crime in CT. Meaning that there was some proof that the car or VIN was stolen, i.e. video of it happening or somebody confessing. If there is none, let the lawyers sort it out. I have no connection to anybody who posted on this thread or to this car or engine, but just passing this info along because some of these CT documents and the CT DMV can be confussing.

Steve

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Steve,

Excellent information, very imformative.

This still begs the question.....where did the seller of the motor get the information to file a registration since the actual car is verified as being titled back to the 70's and 80's in the southwest.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Hello again everyone,

Well, I saw the error of my ways last night before I called it a day. The document I posted was the B.O.S. I do have the old registration as well and it looks pretty close too what has been shown by voodoo, just slightly different I suspect since mine is an older document. I just posted the wrong file and there is no need to further clarify since CTChevelle has corrected my stupid mistake. Sorry for the confusion. Santa had me going nuts yesterday and I guess I just had a brain fart.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/stupid.gif

The new info from Dessert Auto is very interesting and will have me glued to my seat until this one is resolved.

Happy Holidays too ALL!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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Re: Did that #66 ZL1 ever sell at B-J auction? [Re: njsteve]
#67878 - 01/28/04 08:22 AM Edit Reply Quote Quick Reply



# 66 was never at B-J Auction, just in Scottsdale at a Dealer for sale. Here is the last I heard and and it might be absolutely wrong as there have been so many descriptions of events. The Guy had his car stolen around 86 or so. The Car at the dealer that he thinks was his had been in Pat McGroeders posession since before this Guys car was stolen so it couldn't possibly the same car. McGroeder also has ownership history on the car going way back. I think this guy barked up the wrong tree.




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HI CHARLEY,

Can you please tell me what dealer car #66 was for sale at in your previous posting?????????????? QUOTED ABOVE!!!
Charley I do not know anyone on this site, But you always help anyone with questions. That is why I am going to ask you to give me an honest answer. WHAT DEALER WAS THIS CAR #66 FOR SALE AT IN SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA?????????

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Vodoo...It was Desert Autosport. He posted a few posts above this one. I thought he had it listed here for sale or on Ebay back then but I could be wrong. I know there was a price. Someone should be able to dig up the old thread from this site.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

This is probably the thread you're referring to, Charley....

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...=true#Post65407

Merry Christmas to all!

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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Can you please tell me what dealer car #66 was for sale at WHAT DEALER WAS THIS CAR #66 FOR SALE AT IN SCOTTSDALE ARIZONA?????????

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#65421 - 01/13/04 01:44 PM
#66 now belongs to us (Scottsdale Lotus).

info posted here by "bornfast"
Reged: 01/13/04
Posts: 5
Loc: Scottsdale, AZ

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Hi Charley,

I can not post anymore information on this site that has to do with documentation. As you can see in an eariler posting X Baldwin Motion Altered State Documents. Making a joke out of it but in reality its someones car 124379N644366. What happens 40 years from now when this document pops up. Yes it was a joke toward me. But if all eyes were open!! Everything I have said in this posting is real and true. Its always a joke to knock me. What about all of the people posting and then saying thay were wrong and sorry. Desert Autosport said he never had car for sale. Charley as you stated to me he did. In you defense the whole world new that this car was for sale at Desert Autosport. As for M.W.C.C you posted what you though you new from living in OHIO. Thats fine but you also tried to make joke out of me. Now your saying your wrong or sorry. I have phone records to prove I spoke with the dealership in Arizona that had this car for sale.

I just wanted to state that I am not friends and do not know this guy!!!!! ZL1 #17 He called me after my listing on ebay. He is just trying to get to the bottom of car #66 like the rest of you and myself are.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

vodoo Bill, I am sorry if you found that altered document offensive, it was in no way intended to make FUN of anyone. Just an example of how easily documents of all types can be altered. Just as if someone stole your car and removed it out of state and presented a transferable registration stub for licensing elsewhere. Obviously if the readers here were to believe every post then in fact there must be two cars with the same VIN and one of them and their associated documents are not real. Will you at least concede that much? I dont why you havent answered any of the simple time line questions and instead chose to post that document. Again I see nothing but individuals willing to assist in finding the truth. I posted above the old thread where a person claimed to have #66 for sale in Jan 04. I would suggest picking up the trail from there and let us know what happens. Good Luck.
-Chris

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

The whole thread was entertaining to watch but looks to be heading south quick. IMO.. as a hobby website we are rotting from the inside out in a very public way here.

Everyone needs to chill. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Steve (CT Chevelle),

I owned a Yenko Deuce that was sold new out of Loehmann Chevrolet in Waterburt, CT. When I bought it in 2003 it had been passed through multiple owners on a 1986 CT title which I have good color copies of. Is this a rare thing to have a CT title for a 1970? One thing that you mentioned was also true. The owner that registered the car in 1986 registered it as a "Yenko Nova" and that is what was on the title.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

What is all this talk about "Waterburt" Connecticut? I lived in central CT for 30 years and never heard of a Waterburt. There is a Waterbury but no Waterburt. So add that to the mystery bucket as well. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

It's about 10 miles from Seltzerville,CT.----Happy Holidays https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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What is all this talk about "Waterburt" Connecticut? I lived in central CT for 30 years and never heard of a Waterburt. There is a Waterbury but no Waterburt. So add that to the mystery bucket as well. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

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Frank's Deuce was sold new at Loehmann Chevrolet in Waterbury CT, "Waterburt" was simply a typo on Frank's part.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I figured. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif Just wanted to make sure I hadnt missed a trove of supercars 10 miles from my house. (my parents still live there).

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Frank, I think that title you have is probably pretty rare. They haven't titled pre-73(?) (I think '73 is the cutoff) cars for many years in CT.

Also...my 2 cents on the property tax thing...Property tax on vehicles/boats/RV's in CT is paid to the municipality where you live...no direct affiliation with the DMV. The municipality does the recordkeeping and billing for this...which you can imagine is not perfect. On more than one occasion, I've received tax bills for vehicles that I have sold. In those instances, I bring the bill of sale and the tax receivable is cancelled. I could just as easily have paid the bill and they would continue to bill me. It would not prove anything about me owning the vehicle. It would just prove that I'm stupid. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Hi Frank
I don't know for sure, but I would say in CT probably about 20% of them still have titles, maybe less. CT was destroying titles on old cars as far back as I can remember, which is the 1980's. Even then there was a lack of titles on the cars. Most people knew that they would never see their titles again, so they started keeping them. DMV would, sometimes, ask you if you had a title and you would either give them a copy of it or none at all.

Loehmann Chevrolet is still in business. I believe they are in the same building that they were in back then. A friend of mine owned a CR Deuce back in the 80's or 90's. I believe sold out of Loehmann. Maybe the same car that you owned. If this is the car, he knew the importance of Yenko's back then and would have know the "title game" in CT and kept the title.

Steve

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Hello Again All,

I have been following this thread since the beginning and have even put in a few posts as you all know. I would just like to know, as I think many have asked before, why vodoo (Bill) has not fully disclosed everything. He has stated he wants to get to the bottom of this, yet his actions say different. ZL1#17 stated early on that Bill still has the title. Has ZL1#17 viewed this title?? Bill, if you have the title, then you still own the car and I would think it's a pretty simple, but possibly very expensive matter.

I just would like too see this matter resolved. A car of this magnitude needs to be clear of controversy. Bill has never straight-up answered some of the questions. It's like cloak and dagger, smoke and mirrors. I know the members of this site would be more than happy to assist Bill in his search, but he has not helped the situation with the vague nature of his posts and those terrible pictures on ebay (not a stab at you Bill, but they are very poor quality shots).

It's pretty clear that in a lot of states you can continue to renew a registration on a car this old through the mail even though you no longer have the car. I'm from NJ and have only been in Ohio for a few years. In NJ they do state inspections for emissions. They verify the registration and VIN at these inspections. I'm not sure if they have changed the laws since I moved. In Ohio, since most of the state is very rural, there are no annual inspections (depending on where you live) and you could continue too register a car through the mail every year till your gone. This does complicate things for Bill as states really could care less about our hobby or the value of these cars. Even with all of this going against his claim of ownership of car #66, an actual state document like a title has too have a lot of weight legally. I think this thread could have ended a long time ago with straight answers. I don't believe members are trying too discredit Bill. Including me, though Bill would not believe so. I admitted my mistake. But the whole situation seems too be just so far fetched at times with round about answers from Bill.

ZL1#17 stated that Bill has the title and paperwork for car #66. If his statements are correct then Bill has not straight-up answered this question:

Bill, Do you have the title and other paperwork as stated by ZL1#17??

You don't have too post the documents you have for the world too see, just state what you have in your possesion to back up your claim. If you have it, then go get your car (after the attorney's get there cut of coarse which could be quite painful)

Voodoo (Bill), please please answer the question and help restore the reputation of car #66.

Thanks,
Nick

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

E-Bay has zapped the auction!!!!

Its completely gone! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Damn, this thread used up my whole lunch hour and I didn't even see any girlie pics https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif
After reading this I'm almost happy I don't have a million dollars to spend on a car.
If I did I hope I'd still be happy with my $20K Chevelle with no documentation.
I need a nap now.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I JUST WANTED TO LET ALL OF YOU KNOW I DID NOT PULL THE LISTING.

EBAY PULLED IT.

THEY SAID: MISCATEGORIZATION

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

its a conspiracy. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

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I JUST WANTED TO LET ALL OF YOU KNOW I DID NOT PULL THE LISTING.

EBAY PULLED IT.

THEY SAID: MISCATEGORIZATION

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Bill,

How was it miscategorized? I found it under a ZL-1 search.
You should dig into why eBay closed this auction....... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

You sure have me wondering now. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Steve

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Parts listed under the cars for sale section?

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

Jeff,

Why kill the auction though? Category is associated.
I didn't know eBay was that anal..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

Steve

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I thought it was kind of anal too, but ebay pulled one of my auctions for using the word "not" in the heading. They have a list of no-no words (not, like, similar to, resembles) They called it spamming. But they DID send me a notice why it was pulled.

Verne

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

It was listed under Camaro in cars for sale section, not as parts, which is the reason it was pulled.

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I get it. But why is that cause to pull the auction?
I would assume they could just move it - WHO CARES WHERE
IT IS! I care what it is.

Besides, the high dollar figure on this auction should
have told ePay that it had a following. Why cancel it?
Sort of self defeating I think. Just my .02

Steve

Re: Where is ZL-1 #66?
 

I believe the seller may still have to pay a listing fee based on his reserve. Ebay still wins. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif