Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

Well the POP plate definitely has a value to you as the owner of the car. $5,000 sure is a high number. Perhaps the realistic price should be on the order of $500 ??

While I can understand your frustration I would try and keep up the communication with the guy who has the POP.

Good luck!!

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

That is bunk. Holding PoP hostage for 5K.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

I am not sure of the circumstances, but I do not see the difference in selling the original protecto plate or selling the original motor to someone´s car. It is great that some people have given the original paperwork to a car to the owner free, including myself, but I have also paid dearly(gladly)for original documents for my prior cars.

Although 5k seems rather high for the protecto-plate, it definitely is worth a considerable amount as the only piece of actual documentation for your car.I do not know how much more your car is worth with the protecto-pate, but it definitely would make your car much rarer and desirable as a COPO with docs.

I would be saving my pennies and trying to arrive at the guys door with a cash offer. just my opinion...

Good Luck!!

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----Yes,,,The price is steep. The part to remember here, though, is (according to Ronnie) the POP was promised to him for nothing. A promise is a promise. Whoever you are out there, live up to your promise, and Ill bet if you do Ronnie would gladly help you out with your other problems if he can......Bill S

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iluv69s</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am not sure of the circumstances, but I do not see the difference in selling the original protecto plate or selling the original motor to someone´s car.
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The difference is that an engine has an intrinsic value to not only the car it belonged to, but to other cars as well. A POP is of value only to the car it belonged to originally.

If the present holder of the POP can't get Ronnie to buy it, there isn't really a market for it. No one out there is going to pay anywhere near that asking price for it.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

I understand your point Steve, but,my point was that the protectoplate definitely has some value....

Although this is not the case with this car, I think that maybe the protecto-plate is very valuable to a car since a COPO with a non-original correct motor is worth more than a COPO with no motor...

and a COPO with a non-original protectoplate is worth no more than a COPO with no protecto-plate. This is the only protecto-plate in the world that is correct for this car. Many cars have changed hands for top dollar that have correct non-original motors. And it seems that the cars that bring all the money are the original cars <span style="font-weight: bold">with documentation</span>.

Did I just confuse everyone with this explanation??

I also agree if the fellow promised him the protecto-plate for his car back in the day, he should give it up free.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

well you see, he didnt really promise anything to me, he just said he would, now i know he has it because he wants money for it, 5000 to be exact.

i didnt go after it because he said he would give it to me about 5 yrs after i left it in his shop. back then i didnt even know what it was, i thought it was an old credit card or something who knew, i was about 20 or so.about a yr or so back i called him up and he said he had it, well you know what???

i am going to go look at it and make sure its even the right one? this is something that he should bring to light, first i have to have him prove it to me, that it is the right one, you see he should tell me what it says, i have the numbers from the POP plate on my engine, trans and etc....
so if he tells me what the numbers are on the POP plate and they match my engine and trans, then it would be the one i need, but he doesnt know for sure its even mine right??? i know for a fact he worked on alot of camaros and corvettes in his day.

one thing nobody knows on here but me, the VIN to the car, the numbers on the trans and most of you dont know the body number, you might because i have a photo of the cowl tag, but NO-ONE KNOWS THE VIN OR THE TRANS NUMBERS ON HERE AND YOU MIGHT THINK YOU KNOW THE ENGINE PAD NUMBERS, BUT DO YOU REALLY? HAVE YOU SEEN A PHOTO OF THEM? NOPE, BECAUSE THERE ISNT ONE. its been at the shop since ive discovered what was up with them ,and even they wont call me back now??? ive called them 3 times. next is a trip up there to see it or get the block back home, ive had it with service in this country, ive been ripped off by a drywaller and now a roofer, both of them just did it half ass for the money, no quality what so ever.

anyone wanna play poker with my POP plate? show me your hand because im not folding.

SO IF YOUR READING THIS, GIMME THE NUMBERS AND I WILL TELL YOU IF IT IS THE RIGHT ONE, PROVE YOUR POINT OR I DONT WANT IT! ! !

if you want 5000 grand for it, prove it first, or you dont have a thing to argue about. not a leg to stand on. its worthless to ou to even have it, especially if you dont know for sure its even mine???

if your reading this then put your POP plate where your mouth is and i will put my money where my mouth is.

maybe i should contact the police, if i can prove this is mine then he is kidnapping my POP plate ?? ! ! ! he never owned the car, what right does he have to it??
if its mine and i have the reciets for him working on my car and i can prove it went to my car, then he stole it while working on my car when i was a school kid, he knew i didnt care back then, he probably didnt know what he had until he read this whole post.
its ok, karma is a real skeleton in the closet buddy.

how about growing a set, and posting a photo of it on here???
you might just blow everyones mind huh?? try us and find out! ! !
if you want your money show me the proof,
now let me see it.
see ya

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hey iluv69s

im not sure what you meant , but i have the original trans and engine and rear diff for my car?
i didnt take it wrong, i just think you dont understand, im being nice , im not mad at you, i have everything to the car except the POP plate. so he has to give me the numbers to prove it.
so do i really even need the POP plate for 5000, uh lemme think uh NO!!! not for 5000 huh?
i think that i have it all except the small part, the POP plate,
so where does a guy draw the line ? ive been told i dont even need it appraised or certified because of all the stuff i have on and with the car? its to believable not to believe it??
lemme know what ya think k?
thanks

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

You said he was behind in his bills, which could translate into him about to lose everything. With that as a motive, I can see where at one point he said he would give you the POP, (when in a better financial situation), but now wants $$$ for it. Would any of us give up something of value when faced with a similar situation?


And BTW, if I were him, every time I read one of your rants, I would double the price.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

Hey Ronnie....this thread alone proves that your car is absolutely real..although there will still be doubters. I would absolutely pay an authority(who´s naeme I cannot state here) to document your car before you do any resto work.

Because of the many fake COPOs out there people will always be skeptical. I believe with this documentation by a reknown authority, noone will doubt your car´s authenticity.

As far as the protecto-plate, I believe it would make your car just that more desireable over another COPO without docs. It seems the cars with all original drivetrain, correctly restored AND WITH REAL DOCS bring all the money. No-excuses cars.

I would get the Protecto-plate before having your car documented, because there are a bunch of fake protecto-plates out there also. Have the protecto plate documented also as the real thing. just my opinion...

also, I dont think you are serving yourself well by ranting so much about the curret possessor of your protecto-plate. Be cool and give it some time...maybe he will come to his senses and lower the price...kindness is priceless sometimes...

Good Luck

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there are other people besides the one you allude to that know their stuff ... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

regarding the rants, there is an old saying about honey and vinegar ...

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

Hey Jim,

I realize that there are other experts that probably know more, but the other experts are so unknown to the general public, that thier expertise is not valued as much...right or wrong. If I were selling ..or buying..a camaro, I would want the person who is by far, the leading authority on Camaro documentation. I am sure he has documented many many more Camaros than anyone. Probably atleast 10 fold.

In the Camaro world, if he says it is real, it does not matter if it is fake...people believe his word,right or wrong...that is where I would spend my money...whether I like the guy personally or not.

.....just my opinion....

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

Instead of having &quot;that guy&quot; come and and pay him money. Use the money towards getting the POP back. He's only going to tell you what you already know. The original POP is as good as his documenting the car.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

unfortunately, without ´that guy` documenting the protecto-plate for me, I would not know an original protecto-plate from a fake...and I feel that I am very much more knowledgeable than the average Camaro fan....

for the 250 bucks that he charged me to document my car, I feel that his documentation is worth many times more than if I had the orignal protecto-plate for my car....

..anyone that is expert enough to tell if the protecto-plate is original does not really need the protecto-plate or´that guys´documentation to know that this car is real. His documentation is for those of us that cannot tell the good fakes from the real cars...

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I hope that the opinions that this forum is offering this fellow member has nothing to do with personality clashes or whether we like the expert in question or not....

unfortunately, I feel that is not the case at times...

I am trying to give the best advice as to what I would do to better document and verify the authenticity of this car for the benefit of ´everyone´ in the future..not just the experts on this board...

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

Kinda of funny that someone can't say Jerry's name on here now. There are &quot;stories&quot; out there about ED C. saying cars was destroyed and they showed up. I have heard the same of Joel Rosen not documenting a car, then a week or two later the owners get a crazy offer on a car that is not a documented car. I just think not every one is perfect, especially me! JMO

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JD502</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kinda of funny that someone can't say Jerry's name on here now. There are &quot;stories&quot; out there about ED C. saying cars was destroyed and they showed up. I have heard the same of Joel Rosen not documenting a car, then a week or two later the owners get a crazy offer on a car that is not a documented car. I just think not every one is perfect, especially me! JMO
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Ed C. and Joel have not been banned from this board. Jerry has, not once but twice.

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I usually take the high road on these conversations, but why is it that when I mentioned Jerry M's name a few weeks ago, my post got deleted and I was PM'd to &quot;please not mention his name here as he has been banned&quot;....and a few days later I notice a thread here about SSR BOB which basically was a thread created to trash him??

So we can mention his name as long as we are trashing him??

I respectfully ask 'Can someone please tell me the rules here??'

Pete Rose was banned for life from baseball..every announcer in the world talks about him..and appreciates what he has done for the sport...

Love him or hate him, Jerry M has done a great service for this hobby in just the knowledge that he has brought forward through his research and his books...I believe his books have been a very valuable resource for many of us.

This owner of this COPO obviously knows about him as he has already used his resto. services..what is the big secret?

I know personally that him documenting my cars was a big part of the reason that helped sell them..

I am here just trying to give the best advice I can to a fellow member that is seeking advice...
Isnt that what this forum is all about???

Sorry if I have ruffled any feathers here...

..and sorry for going on a tangent on this thread...I hope the higher ups have the courage to not delete this..(or delete me for that matter...hehe)I have always admired and respected this site and it's members and am dearly greatful for all the help and knowledge I have recieved here.

respectfully, Max

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We would rather there be no discussion, good or bad, about Jerry, but A. after being banned he posted under another username B. you, and a couple of others, after repeated PMs to not do so, continue to mention his name.

Though you may have have the upmost respect for him, some of us here do not share your opinion.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iluv69s</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I usually take the high road on these conversations, but why is it that when I mentioned Jerry M's name a few weeks ago, my post got deleted and I was PM'd to &quot;please not mention his name here as he has been banned&quot;....and a few days later I notice a thread here about SSR BOB which basically was a thread created to trash him??

So we can mention his name as long as we are trashing him??

I respectfully ask 'Can someone please tell me the rules here??'

Pete Rose was banned for life from baseball..every announcer in the world talks about him..and appreciates what he has done for the sport...

Love him or hate him, Jerry M has done a great service for this hobby in just the knowledge that he has brought forward through his research and his books...I believe his books have been a very valuable resource for many of us.

This owner of this COPO obviously knows about him as he has already used his resto. services..what is the big secret?

I know personally that him documenting my cars was a big part of the reason that helped sell them..

I am here just trying to give the best advice I can to a fellow member that is seeking advice...
Isnt that what this forum is all about???

Sorry if I have ruffled any feathers here...

..and sorry for going on a tangent on this thread...I hope the higher ups have the courage to not delete this..(or delete me for that matter...hehe)I have always admired and respected this site and it's members and am dearly greatful for all the help and knowledge I have recieved here.

respectfully, Max </div></div>

IMHO (&lt;MY humble opinion) if someone doesn't know enough about what they are buying they shouldn't be buying it.

If it makes you feel better because (I am going on a long stretch here to make a point) a note from your mommy (that is the stretch) says it is ok or anyone else you pay to appraise whatever, then you are in the hobby for the wrong reasons.

Yes, there are MANY crooks out there (coff RG 69 Z28 rebody coff) and someone will always be stretching &quot;facts&quot; to fluff up whatever they are selling.

Bottom line is (IMHO again) do your homework BEFORE you pull the trigger. IF that homework involves the services of someone that may know more than you about a particular subject, certainly enlist them to assist you.

Getting back to the thread topic, I hope everything works out well, people do funny things when they smell $$$$$$

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

well said Jim.
I for one wish prices would subside as it would take some speculators out of the markets and allow the ones who truly enjoy the cars back in...
However in dealing with these high end cars people want FACTORY PAPER, whether it has matching numbers or not. What most laypeople people do not realize is there is an awful LOT of fake paper, which is why the verification of paperwork is so critical to Chevrolets.
JAG

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

Jim I am a bit surprised by some of your statements.....

---&quot;IMHO (&lt;MY humble opinion) if someone doesn't know enough about what they are buying they shouldn't be buying it.&quot;

I figure that is the purpose to enlist an expert..to educate yourself about what you are buying. I paid many realtors and building inspectors for thier opinion before buying the properties that I own. I feel anyone with the cash has the right to buy whatever they want...this is America isn´t it? Do they need to be an expert?

---&quot;If it makes you feel better because (I am going on a long stretch here to make a point) a note from your mommy (that is the stretch) says it is ok or anyone else you pay to appraise whatever, then you are in the hobby for the wrong reasons.&quot;

I bought my first 67 RS Camaro when I was 15 years old and have since owned over 200 early Camaros from six bangers to a real Zl-1. I think I qualify as a &quot;real&quot; Camaro fan and that I am in the hobby for the right reason. I have never paid anyone to apraise or document one of my cars <span style="font-weight: bold">before</span> buying it. But, if I wanted to buy a high dollar car and was in doubt of its authenticity, I sure would feel better having an experts opinion..I think that is the norm in many hobbies..art, antiques, collectibles and cars also. Do you really believe that statement??
I am sure that many of the people here on this forum have paid an expert before buying a car...be it Marti report, Galen Govier, etc. So which of us fellow members are you refering to that are in the hobby for the wrong reason? With the plethora of fake cars,I feel it woul be rather stupid not to.

---&quot;IF that homework involves the services of someone that may know more than you about a particular subject, certainly enlist them to assist you.&quot;

But you just stated that someone that does this is in the hobby for the wrong reason...I´m confused...do you condone this or no??

I have always tried to be 100% respectful to you and everyone else on this board. I am a bit surprised by your sarcasm toward me..I apologize if I am misunderstanding your statement/attitude.

At this point I will take the high road and refrain from pettiness that persists here at times...

as before, |I wish the best luck to the owner of this car and if he wants my honest opinion &quot;without caring about personality clashes&quot;, he can PM me...


just my humble opinion...

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

Tom, I apologize for mentioning his name after You asked me not to. I hope you understand my confusion when a few days later a thread was started that was soley about him to the point where there were even pictures posted of him.
As far as respecting him..I could care less either way...I do not know him that well. I was going by my personal experiences and I was only trying to help a fellow member...

But , I assure, I will not mention him again here.

Max

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

JAG....


with all due respect,I am confused by your statement also....

--&quot;However in dealing with these high end cars people want FACTORY PAPER, whether it has matching numbers or not. What most laypeople people do not realize is there is an awful LOT of fake paper, which is why the verification of paperwork is so critical to Chevrolets.
JAG&quot;

what part of Jim´s statement was well said?? It sounds like you are agreeing with me and not him that it is a great idea to get an expert to document a car and the adjoining paperwork. Let´s face it, because all of us are not experts. And I believe that the average laymen have every right to buy a Camaro as much as the experts here.

just my humble opinion...max

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

If he has the POP for your car, it belongs to you. It sounds like he stole it from you many years ago. If that is the case, that makes him a low life thief in my opinion. Go get YOUR property back.

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I will have to apologize, apparently my typing of words did not come out as well as my mind was processing the info, no flames were intended, just cutting to the basics was the intent. I will stand by my statements as I believe the intent was there, and I think that others can see that as well.

IMHO, anyone that has owned over 20, 50, 100 or more cars of any make / model / etc should know them intimately. They should be an expert in their own right and know right from wrong.

If I doubted a car, I would trust my instinct and I would stay away. There would be no reason IN MY MIND to want to buy it. Again, MY viewpoint.

All the names you stated above are people that have educated themselves and created businesses around their education and experience.

I could get info from Ford <span style="font-weight: bold">if</span> I owned one. Having the copy from Ford would be as good in MY OPINION as anything else.

I could care less knowing if my Ford was one of 17 so equipped (or whatever). That being one of 17 so equipped does not make it worth any more. It does not make ME like it any more ... or any less.

BUT if I were one of those that NEEDED to know that info to tell stories with, I might want to know and therefore would pay to know and have a piece of paper so I can display with my car so onlookers can marvel at my luck and good fortune.

Those that know know.

This is not intended to be a flame or sarcastic reply in any stretch, it is merely an explanation of my prior post.

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This is a Camaro owner that needed the services of SOMEONE smarter than he was BEFORE he bought .....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-Chev...a#ht_719wt_1167

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al8apex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is a Camaro owner that needed the services of SOMEONE smarter than he was BEFORE he bought .....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1968-Chev...a#ht_719wt_1167 </div></div>

Petes Z-28 is well known. To try and pass this car off as the Estes Z Conv is ridiculous. A little research will show it as the car below. not some poor red copy.


http://www.camaros.net/showroom/data...8_z28_conv.jpg

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

I saw that car also..I wonder about the paperwork he claims to have...Apparently the original paperwork from the real Estes car was stolen from Al M. when he owned the car.

Back to the original thread..any luck with the protecto-plate ???

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No matter what the car is ugly IMO.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No matter what the car is ugly IMO. </div></div>


I cannot beleive he chose green..and also that it is not an RS....It would be much cooler in blue..or black !!

But I cannot say the car is ugly no...but definitely could be better looking....

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

hello all

good grief, i am sorry to have posted on here about certain things, numbers and names and so on.
i feel i have brought up something that should have been left buried down deep.
the thing is, its like digging a new foundation for a new home, the next thing you know youve dug up something that someone else put there yrs ago and now you get blamed for it because YOU DUG IT UP???
im sorry to all, im sorry to &quot;that guy&quot; im sorry to anyone i offended and if i even did so.
this car has always done this anywhere ive taken it.
all i wanted was some help and ive dug up seriously hurt feelings in this registry.
man i dont know what to do, i guess its my fault ????
i started it so maybe i should end it, i think im going to stay away from here for a while and let things cool off.
if i was younger man i would jump right in, but now im alot older and im going to back off guys.
this is to much for me.
i had a hunch or gut feeling this would happen and i guess the finger is being pointed at me, if not well no harm no foul.
i dont know what to do.
im not going to post any more photos on here, no more numbers and no pop plate, that is if i get it back, we are still talking and the last time i talked to him we were joking and making fun of each other that we even joked about the point of meeting for dinner and talking it over.
thats as far as i got.
sometimes i wish i could start over with this car, yet ive wished that so many times with it because this always happens.
each and everytime i bring this car up no matter how smooth it starts out, there is usually a fist fight over it or arguiing.
it never fails, even after almost 20 yrs in storage.
i guess i will bow out and let it be.
i also got a call from my sister in kentucky about a guy wanting to &quot;just come and see it&quot; well i turned that down to, then i got yelled at from her over it because its her neighbor????
i cant trust anyone as to where the public storage is that i keep it and i dont even want to show anyone either.
i took this thing to a show in my home town years and years ago, i ripped out 2nd place with it and didnt even expect to win anything at all, i didnt even armour all the tires, just drove it in??? guess what i won???? a big bottle of armour all ! ! ! !
then the 2 judges got into a fight over it, because one thought i deserved first placed because of the milage and the original conditon it was in. the one guy jacked the others guys jaw and it was bad enough for a 19 or 20 yr old kid[myself] to say to them &quot;hey hey guys its nothing to fight about&quot;.
to old guys duking it out over this thing called a car???
i got more to say but im bowing out as of now.
thank you for all the nice things and info all on here have given me.
i will take it with a grain of salt but, i feel ive drank the whole salt shaker.
i guess its my fault [AGAIN].
thank you all
redline, maxed out.
that is all.

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

too much Armor All and you wouldn't have gotten a second glance

Re: 1969 427 camaro copo?????
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ronnieredline</div><div class="ubbcode-body">hello all

good grief, i am sorry to have posted on here about certain things, numbers and names and so on.
i feel i have brought up something that should have been left buried down deep.
the thing is, its like digging a new foundation for a new home, the next thing you know youve dug up something that someone else put there yrs ago and now you get blamed for it because YOU DUG IT UP???
im sorry to all, im sorry to &quot;that guy&quot; im sorry to anyone i offended and if i even did so.
this car has always done this anywhere ive taken it.
all i wanted was some help and ive dug up seriously hurt feelings in this registry.
man i dont know what to do, i guess its my fault ????
i started it so maybe i should end it, i think im going to stay away from here for a while and let things cool off.
if i was younger man i would jump right in, but now im alot older and im going to back off guys.
this is to much for me.
i had a hunch or gut feeling this would happen and i guess the finger is being pointed at me, if not well no harm no foul.
i dont know what to do.
im not going to post any more photos on here, no more numbers and no pop plate, that is if i get it back, we are still talking and the last time i talked to him we were joking and making fun of each other that we even joked about the point of meeting for dinner and talking it over.
thats as far as i got.
sometimes i wish i could start over with this car, yet ive wished that so many times with it because this always happens.
each and everytime i bring this car up no matter how smooth it starts out, there is usually a fist fight over it or arguiing.
it never fails, even after almost 20 yrs in storage.
i guess i will bow out and let it be.
i also got a call from my sister in kentucky about a guy wanting to &quot;just come and see it&quot; well i turned that down to, then i got yelled at from her over it because its her neighbor????
i cant trust anyone as to where the public storage is that i keep it and i dont even want to show anyone either.
i took this thing to a show in my home town years and years ago, i ripped out 2nd place with it and didnt even expect to win anything at all, i didnt even armour all the tires, just drove it in??? guess what i won???? a big bottle of armour all ! ! ! !
then the 2 judges got into a fight over it, because one thought i deserved first placed because of the milage and the original conditon it was in. the one guy jacked the others guys jaw and it was bad enough for a 19 or 20 yr old kid[myself] to say to them &quot;hey hey guys its nothing to fight about&quot;.
to old guys duking it out over this thing called a car???
i got more to say but im bowing out as of now.
thank you for all the nice things and info all on here have given me.
i will take it with a grain of salt but, i feel ive drank the whole salt shaker.
i guess its my fault [AGAIN].
thank you all
redline, maxed out.
that is all. </div></div>I don't have a clue what you are trying to convey(Then again,I never did) but good luck anyways.

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Redline... what the hell are you talking about?? I hope you stick around... the story on your car has been an interesting one.

Glad you are talking to the guy with your POP. He sounds like he is a decent person... Give him some $$ and call it a day. He seems like he could use a few bucks so you can think of it as helping someone out and getting your POP!

Now... enough of the Yenko County Housewives drama .... lets talk about cars!!!!

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Keep in comming! Only had time to read half of post but hey opinions are like @$$, we all have one. I'll continue to follow like Jonesy, more pop corn, oh and I need to make a beer run. Be back in a few.