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I can only speak for companies in my area.....Cleveland.What is supplied to these stampers(repro body panels) may indeed come from Japan.I don't want to speak for everyone....There are severel different qualities of steel.It stands to reason in todays MFG most would want to stay cost efficiant.Remember, you get what you pay for.


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Why don't all of you take a few minutes out of your busy days to do some investigating. The steel used in the replacement body shell is 1006 automotive grade steel. Different from the original yes. But, different bad? No. There are few additives and no sulpher infused into the steel. There is a boon to start with. No excessive sparking and showering when welded. Also tends to make the steel a little more resistant to dents,creases and becoming brittle with age. In addidtion, the thickness of the steel used is now all thicker than the original, so leaning on one or opening a door is not going to pull your door handles out or leave a dent. The bottom line here is that all the purists that want their cars to be left original have that inherant right for sure. Don't buy any reproduction parts for your cars from us or anyone else. But, there are scores of people that can't afford that luxery. They have options as to how much they can spend on their projects. We, at Dynacorn International and Dynacorn Classic Bodies, help them with those options by giving them the very best part available on the market for their cars. If it is a body shell, so be it. There are areas that need to be worked; yes. There are rough spots yes. No one ever said there weren't. Just as the parts that didn't fit on the original assembly lines got boxed up and sold as service parts. NOS is just that. The general market for these cars and our parts is not focused at the Yenko and Supercar snobs at all but to the regular folks that just want a nice car they can drive around. We give them that option. Now, take that for what you all will. I have not tried to upset anyone by this missive but bring a reality here that seems to be missing.

There seems to have been a lot of comments about the quality of our parts compared to an original. Well folks let me say, that we do not ever engineer a part off of an NOS parts because they didn't fit to start with. We use all original parts off of original cars so that they do fit. We find that most of the fitting problems associated with parts sold by us and others is not the part but the person trying to put it on. And remember, these are 30+ year old assembly line cars and nothing fit perfect to start with.

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Sorry,I find the term "snobs" in bad taste.I don't even own a Yenko or Supercar.

Like I said, there is an A$$ for every seat and you get what you pay for.

Sorry if this offends you....


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Why don't all of you take a few minutes out of your busy days to do some investigating. The steel used in the replacement body shell is 1006 automotive grade steel. Different from the original yes. But, different bad? No. There are few additives and no sulpher infused into the steel. There is a boon to start with. No excessive sparking and showering when welded. Also tends to make the steel a little more resistant to dents,creases and becoming brittle with age. In addidtion, the thickness of the steel used is now all thicker than the original, so leaning on one or opening a door is not going to pull your door handles out or leave a dent. The bottom line here is that all the purists that want their cars to be left original have that inherant right for sure. Don't buy any reproduction parts for your cars from us or anyone else. But, there are scores of people that can't afford that luxery. They have options as to how much they can spend on their projects. We, at Dynacorn International and Dynacorn Classic Bodies, help them with those options by giving them the very best part available on the market for their cars. If it is a body shell, so be it. There are areas that need to be worked; yes. There are rough spots yes. No one ever said there weren't. Just as the parts that didn't fit on the original assembly lines got boxed up and sold as service parts. NOS is just that. The general market for these cars and our parts is not focused at the Yenko and Supercar snobs at all but to the regular folks that just want a nice car they can drive around. We give them that option. Now, take that for what you all will. I have not tried to upset anyone by this missive but bring a reality here that seems to be missing.

There seems to have been a lot of comments about the quality of our parts compared to an original. Well folks let me say, that we do not ever engineer a part off of an NOS parts because they didn't fit to start with. We use all original parts off of original cars so that they do fit. We find that most of the fitting problems associated with parts sold by us and others is not the part but the person trying to put it on. And remember, these are 30+ year old assembly line cars and nothing fit perfect to start with.

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Now that we have you here, can you elaborate on how a person would register one of these cars? Obviously you can't just rivit on an old VIN tag and represent it as a 1969 car. What info/advice do you have? Thanks. (and BTW I am very impressed with your work).

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Sorry,I find the term "snobs" in bad taste.I don't even own a Yenko or Supercar.

Like I said, there is an A$$ for every seat and you get what you pay for.



Sorry if this offends you....


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The general market for these cars and our parts is not focused at the Yenko and Supercar snobs at all but to the regular folks that just want a nice car they can drive around.

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What a salesman! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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The general market for these cars and our parts is not focused at the Yenko and Supercar snobs at all but to the regular folks that just want a nice car they can drive around.

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What a salesman! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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VP/General Manager. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

Why would he classify people who own Yenkos and like, as snobs??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Everyone that I met at SCR8 were all wonderful nice down to earth people. Seems like there is a bit of frustration or built up hosility towards someone?

Oh well, to each his own. Happy Thaniksgiving all... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Wow https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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Since we are not in the turn-key car business but the parts and shell business, I have no clue as to how you would register one in your state. In California you have several options. We sell body shells. We do not now, or ever ask anyone do anything illegal and we certainly are not asking anyone build a clone of any type.

It isn't hostility. Go back and re-read some of the messages posted on this board bashing our company for parts that constantly are substandard quality and poor fit. As a matter of fact, we test fit every part we make to insure fit and finsih and if it doesn't fit correctly, we pull it and fix it before putting it back on the market. But I stand by my comment and you're right there seems to be an A$$ for EVERY seat. As I stated before, our job is not to provide parts for the people that don't want them, but to the people that do and can't afford $1,500.00 for an original fender. In that vein we do a very credible job. There is absolutely no need to make nasty comments about my company or the parts we provide as if you were or are in the know about us or what we do. I am not trying to be a salesman merely stating the truth for those that wish to hear it. Flaming me isn't going to change a thing in what we do or how we do it.

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As an addendum, I find it interesting that the only thing anyone found fit to comment on was the 'snob' comment.

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I invite any of you to email or call me at your convenience to discuss this further.

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I'm glad to see a company undertake such a project. I think it's good for the hobby. Hats off to you Dynacorn!

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And, for those interested, I have, on my desk, the Licensing paperwork for the remainder of the Camaros and 1947-54 Chevy and GMC 5 window pickup shells.

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Any new info on when the 69 coupe shells will be available?

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Should be right around the end of January. We have a QC team going to inspect and approve the first part of the year.

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Looking forward to it.

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I am sorry if some coments on here seem snobish to you and I think you totally misunderstood the slant of the topic reguarding your product. I do not feel anyone on here is flameing you or your bodywork.

What we are afraid of is, some of the unscrupious people in the business that are just out to make a buck at the expense of the hobby. From what I have seen in pic, you seem to have a fine product and quite a few of us are just afraid someone (Not anyone assocated with you or your company) will use your body to screw some novice to the hobby out of their hard earned money.

You must admidt that this was not what you got into this business for and we as lovers of all original Muscle cars are just a little worried that it could cast a bad light on the hobby as a whole.

Please accept my appology if you feel that you have been singled out or wronged & deflamed. I would like to say that none of what I have read so far about your bodywork has cast you in a bad way.

Please drop in from time to tome and work with us and I think you will find that this group will support you and your endevors. We only wish to see what you sell not be bastardized and used to defraud anyone as that hurts all of us. NO???

PS: Welcome to the forum. May things get better in time.

Pantera




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I appreciate your candor and would welcome the opportunity to assist any group with their needs. Like stated, we are not condoning the missuse of our parts, but nothing will stop uncrupulous people from doing what they do. It's a problem that is rampant in the industry. We do what we can, and hope that all others are honest.

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Mr. Dynacorn,again sorry if I offended you.My comments were made about MFG in general.Sure,some were about repop parts but NOT specificly Dynacorn...My rant on quality control fell into this thread.It should have been a seperate topic....As for the winter beater comment..lighten up.In Cleveland we're doomed to 6 months of snow... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

I do understand that your,Dynacorn, parts are the best on the market.Period.You also stated they are not made from NOS parts and this to is quite understood.You should sell all the parts you stamp...Happy Thanksgiving!


Steve https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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To all of you as well.

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As an addendum, I find it interesting that the only thing anyone found fit to comment on was the 'snob' comment.

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...the parts that didn't fit on the original assembly lines got boxed up and sold as service parts. NOS is just that.

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Who told you that all NOS parts started out as production line parts that had defects??? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif Many NOS parts differ in construction from assembly line parts and are made after production of the actual car has ceased. I agree its better to base repro parts off of assembly line pieces than NOS pieces, but to say that NOS stuff is all second rate and reproduction stuff fits better is really a stretch...

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Nice signature line change, Joe...but it doesn't fit you...especially!

The Dynacorn rep could have said what he needed to say without any of the BS thrown in...after all he's representing a company on a public forum.

As an aside, I saw their covertible body displayed at Pavillions a few weekends ago...though I must admit that the representative that was there was infinitely more sociable and friendly...yes SHE was! The reproduction body looked good as well...though it had a custom (Fat Man?) frame underneath it...

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On each body will be a serial number and will be stamped in several places. We will also stamp that serial number in a place not seen. If anybody suspect someone trying to pass off a Dynacorn body for an original they can contact us and we can tell them where to look. I dont think anyone is trying to take away anything from original Camaro's. Here at American Muscle Cars Inc we have seen many people destroy an original Z/28 or SS by doing the most insane modifications. I hope the Dynacorn Camaro will now take the place of modifying original cars and destroying there value. I beleive you will see Dynacorn Camaro's built as hot rods, G-machines and maybe even race cars. I dont think many people will build them as original Z/28 clones, SS, or even Super Car clones and pass them off as original cars but if they do and you suspect it we will certainly be there to help.

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a few weeks ago when asked directly if you had something to gain by promoting these repop bodies and sheetmetal based on your defense of repro Dynacorn stuff, you replied:

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No. I do not have a vested interest in off shore panels. However I do have a interest in this project.

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Then today you post:

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On each body will be a serial number and will be stamped in several places. We will also stamp that serial number in a place not seen. If anybody suspect someone trying to pass off a Dynacorn body for an original they can contact us...

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So was that a line of B.S.??? Sounds to me like you DO indeed have a vested interest in offshore panels... and are in fact a part of the Dynacorn repop company. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif How about some honesty here guys. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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American Muscle Car Coachworks is an assembler of our Camaro bodies. In that vein he has an interest. Is he a member of our company? No. Any reference that our assemblers are a part of Dynacorn Classic Bodies is one fostered not by us. It was a very bad article in Hot Rod magazine last year that started all this hoopla. Had Primedia allowed us to market and announce this project the way we were intending, then this particular string would never have started. At least to this extent. The article written about the 'Crate Camaros' was, to say the least, full of misinformation and downright falsehoods. No one checked with us before printing the article and because of the way it was written, the turn key car business,and the whole car in a crate, GM came down on us like a ton of bricks and forced us into litigation of which we not only did not want, but cost everyone a bundle of cash. That is as honest as it gets.

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Hey Joe. How is that BS? I have no interest in Dynacorn and have nothing to do with the tooling of body panels. I share in no profit at all from Dynacorn Inc. If I did, why wouldnt I be trying to push all that product on my web site I am a sub-contractor for Dynacorn Classic Bodies to weld Dynacorn Classic Bodies panels together and like I said" I do have interest in the project. Do have any idea how much OE approved spot welders are Yenko Joe? Do you no what it takes to build fixtures to weld these bodies together Yenko Joe?" So when did Yenko.net become the foundation of truth? I have read what some of you self proclaimed experts have wrote for years and have determined you probably never had a Camaro apart!If you trying question my integerty or honesty on some play of words why dont you email me from my web-site and not try to discredit me on this site.

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Guys this entire thread is getting a case of rot. Come on--anyone "in the know" would be able to pick out a body with significant patching, welding or repair work, before you buy it. With that said there are also some people who will be fooled.

The same with these Dynacorn bodies, Without the key fisher body date stamps in the sheet metal they are what they are.

I really doubt that someone buying a high dollar car that has been recreated back to that of say- a COPO, Z/28, or SS is going to get bit on one of these Dynacorn bodies, and if they do, well they deserve it, along with everything else that is faked and restamped these days....

Lets face it If the cars were not worth as much as they are we would not be having this thread and its discussion.

Frankly the Muscle car values we see today is a "bull market" that we have all collectively created through the sharp price increases in value of these cars over the past few years. This trend is currently nostalgia driven, and will eventually drop off and level out.

There is always an investment that looks great, but you gotta understand what it is that YOU are buying, and what YOU know about it that will make or break the value of the sale. Where there is money to be made there will always be crooks there to "hoodwink" the uninformed.

You can also "hoodwink" a guy by selling him a repaired rust bucket driver quality musclecar - that consists of a significantly repaired original body - much the same way. Lets say that this body that has had inners, outers, floors, quarters, rockers, outer tail, inner tail, entire trunk floor and rear frame replaced and all rewelded up by some one...(Who knows who-or his qualifications) Perhaps the firewall, Driveshaft tunnel and the inner rocker support beams are still original and correct. The concern then shifts to safety of the driver and its occupants being that the overall percentage of the original body that remains after the repair is so low.

Original factory tolerences and measurements Become a real concern in a repair job like this yet there WAS pieces of an original body there to start with. You might be able to use lots of undercoat and filler to cover all of this work up, but if it is a big dollar car and you are "in the know" you are gonna find this work.

You then make the decision to buy or not. Same thing with a Dynacorn body, the execption being that the Dynacorn body will be less likely to have a catastrophic weld failure which could cost you your life- after you decide to launch your rebuilt toy hard some saturday night.

I guess I am having a hard time understanding why this is such a big deal??

Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Me too Phil. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Good post Phil. The reality is "buyer beware" and do your homework.

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Have any of you seen the car built by Year One? It isn't perfect, and was never intended to be, however, it is a darn good looking driver using one of our bodies. And, it was built by Year One employees to show that a normal guy with a little knowledge could build a pretty nice car for himself. As for turn key cars selling for $40,000.00 I have no clue. But to be honest, I think that would be way too low of a figure.

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-PANTERA-"What we are afraid of is, some of the unscrupious people in the business that are just out to make a buck at the expense of the hobby."

Exactly, and just the same point I was suggesting!

Dynacorn,
I don't think this whole issue is about the ability to manufacture something, or your opportunity to be able to do so.
For me, personally, it has been commonplace in our 69 Camaros for years to 'fake one by' before we all took notice or knew a friend who got jerked just trying to be a Camaro owner; albeit, what was bought was thought to be the original issue.
I considered changing my trim tag info just to satisfy my likings, not to convince with false intenses to the masses but, it was just for me.
Trim tags were swapped often, and that brings me to the direction of the ability to swap a VIN on the shell you represent as that section seems to have been stamped for such an application.

Many of us could simply downplay this forever!
Howabout I SUGGEST to you, Dynacorn, to stop providing the VIN location opening in all further shells that you manufacture?
Since the Law of our land is difficult at times, and none of us desire to really spend what that takes to represent such interests, howabout actually walking the road of acceptance that caters to protecting the originality of the existing cars, by eliminating the opportunity to use the opening for the VIN that was initially intended back in 1969 and keep that portion of your dash/shell/reproduction blank?

Bill Gates is now redefining Microsoft, and so is GM redesigning itsself as well!
Heck, even our own government is rethinking the current Iraq situation....
just my thoughts..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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Last add....
To the Clary's:
You folks started this site I am sure with a certain intention.
What is you opinion on this topic?
Afterall, this is your site!
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As west coast assemblers for Dynacorn Bodies and as previously mentioned we will stamp a serial number three times on every body and one will be stamped in a area that will be less conspicuous. If anyone thinks the car they are buying is less than what the seller is saying it is, than that person can contact us and we will assist them. I do not condone the swapping of VIN tags and trying to pass the car off as something it is not. And I know that was not Dynacorns intent either when this project began. But stamping a new dash blank and excluding the VIN location won't stop anyone trying to deceive a potential buyer by just cutting in there own VIN location hole in the dash. I guess there will always be unscrupulous people out there trying rip someone off whether it be with cars or whatever they are trying to sell. And these people are so smart that whatever prevention we put in place they will always find away around it. One our jobs is to assist people in anyway to prevent that from happening, through this forum or by contacting people/companies like ours to help. For American Muscle Cars Inc. and myself we are passionate about Muscle Cars and the quality of our product and will do what it takes to help stop fraud whether it be with Dynacorn bodies or someone trying to pass off a car as something it is not. What American Muscle Cars Coach Works Inc. is doing is keeping records which will include what Dynacorn dealer has ordered the body, who the end user is and how many cars we assembled and where they are shipped to, to help prevent any fraud. If anyone out there has any suggestion to assist us please contact us.

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Providing the perfect stamp cut opening is making this easier for this action to occur! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

By leaving that area blank, stamping a specific code in that exact area-one that covers more than the area needed for an original VIN plate, if removed, shall remove ALL doubt what the origin is of that reproduction assembled body!https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

Let's be RESPONSIBLE about this!
Is it RESPONSIBLE not to act in good faith to protect the originals from the adjusted?
Your proactive action in doing so will remove all doubt!
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All that would do is make someone buy a replacement dash top which already has the cutout in it as these have been sold for years.

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Thanks again Mark.

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We will also stamp that serial number in a place not seen. If anybody suspect someone trying to pass off a Dynacorn body for an original they can contact us and we can tell them where to look.

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In spite of the snob comment which was stupid...I think this paragrapgh sums up what people will need to know and why this is being discussed in the first place.