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Now that this nightmare has resurfaced how about a poll as to who thinks that Douglas cars are real Yenko's.

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Marlin, I disagree with your "points"/opinion. Mike

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Ok Mike, now we're back to normal, our opinions are each worth $.02 - regardless as to how far apart they are [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

Frank, I don't think we need a poll, I think we agreed the last time around that these cars would be considered Douglass Yenko COPO cars.

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Oh, maybe it's just me but I thought you wrote that they were the first clones before you deleted your post. You seemed to be serious untill Mike kind of hinted that your post was in bad taste.

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Let me toss this thought out there. Would you consider the "new" 1966 Shelby Cobras real Shelby Cobras like the ones built in 1965/66?

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There will never be a car to replace the "original" Cobra. Same goes for the GT-40, Grand Sport and ZL-1 'Vettes. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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What does THAT have to do with anything? Would you consider a '69 Z28 that had a bunch of parts added to it, without supporting documentation, to be an original "JL8, crossram, etc. Z28"?

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Yes but not all JD Camaro COPO [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif[/img]

Should the Shelby Europa cars be considered real Shelby's for the "history books".

Shelby Europa

Yes but not for all real Shelby fanatic......

Just my opinion....... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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Sorry guys, I keep confusing fact and fiction on this subject. I keep thinking there is documented proof that JD paid Don Yenko for the stripes and window stickers and the right to sell the cars as Yenko Camaros. If proof does arise then I stick by my opinion that the JD Yenkos are just as much a Yenko as the DY Yenkos. Not trying to cause trouble. Ane we all know that the only possibly documented crossram JL8 would be the 68 Z28 convertible.

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In case you didnt read this the first time I posted it I will post it again. Written by Don Yenko himself, says bought Yenko emblem and trim, and said was bought to help sell the merchandise. Do you think if DY didnt approve of it, he would have even mentioned it.

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We've read it several times before. That is not an agreement, simply a restatement of some facts. If some guys choose to read more into it than others, that is their choice.

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People have been convicted of murder, and, executed on less circumstantial evidence than what exists in this case Marlin. Since some of you choose to think that Jack Douglass is a liar, and, expect hard copy [originals I'm sure] of an agreement detailing this mutually beneficial relationship, this will never be settled. So, why can't we just agree to disagree, and, kill the next person who brings it up!

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Hey...Can I bring this up ? Somewhere in this long long thread that I had managed to ignore for so long because I didn't think there would be too much interesting info about Emblem placement was mention of Clint having a Yenko Window Sticker for his JD Yenko. Did I Dream that ? I would think that a orig. Yenko Window Sticker for one of the debated Cars would mean alot. Do you have it Clint ? Can you Post it ? I'll meet you out back Sixties with my Mutts as Backup.

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clill, You're exempt. We have to make allowances for West coast weirdos. Anyway, your mutts don't have a chance, cuz, Gags has got my back.

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I'm fine with that idea Mike! We each have our points, disagreement is ok.

I have no dogs, I guess I'll have to bring 18month old Benjamin to hug Charley's mutts!

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I do not have an original window sticker nor have I stated that I do. Would love to find one though.

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Per Shors post... "Clint's vinyl top car was sold badged, but stripeless. It was sold as a Yenko, had a Yenko window sticker and Yenko dollars were paid". Sorry, I assumed his statement was based on you having the Window Sticker.

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Mike.... I have Lhasa Apso's for hire. They are not pure bred...however I did have permission from the King of Tibet to breed them. They will eat Charleys mutts. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

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Bring em on Biscayne [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

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The only way I feel these JD camaro's should be reconized as are COPO's. The ONLY true YENKO's are those that were on the original inventory sheets.I had thought that some of the earlier JD camaro's might have been on these sheets. Sounds like Jack Douglass wanted to save some money and convert them himself. He was just being buisness smart I suppose and can't blame him for that, it just seems that everyone with JD camaro's want to be reconized as Yenko owners. Let the the bashing begin [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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And here I thought it was over !!!

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Nutz

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Mr. Yenko, lets say you purchased one of these cars new, and someone told you that all you had was a COPO camaro. ??? Would you pop the yenko emblems off, and say "OK, sorry, I thought it was a real Yenko"?

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I think "pissed" would be the word. As one original owner of a JD COPO stated, you paid the extra money (Yenko dollars) to get "that Yenko 427". Then to find out that the car did not come from Yenko! Yes, I know they were both COPOs, but the perception back then (public wise), was that the Yenkos had something extra. That is why JD had trouble selling his COPOs without connecting them to Yenko.

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Tom,

-----Not knowing the Yenko lore as well as many of you guys,I have a question.It seems I remember that Yenkos were rated at 450HP.If this is true,did Don do anything to the cars to warrant the 25 extra horses?Did he change the carb or add headers or anything?I guess my point would be that I dont think Jack did HP mods at all,just badges,and stripes!I know Jack fairly well and the "bottom line" was always more important than anything else to him.If he could get the extra Yenko money for a few badges and a little vinyl then he was all for it.Jacks position would likely have been "why modify an already fast car and let ourselves in for all kind of warranty issues when we can sell it just like it is".Its not as if there were a whole bunch of other Yenkos around Chicago to compare to,as far as the horsepower modifications were concerned.
-----I hope none of this is misunderstood.As far as Im concerned the cars are(simply)the cars.They are all significant,just some are different than others,but the are all interesting(other than some burnished brown ones)!!!!!!!......Bill S

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Unlike in '67 and '68, in 1969, Yenko did not modify most cars. The 450HP figure most likely came from NHRA. I am thinking that is what the NHRA rated the L-72 at. As per JD, I am sure he was like all of us. If he could sell a few more cars, that meant a few more dollars in his pocket. Nothing wrong with that. The reason JD needed the Yenko name was not because of the performance edge. JD and others proved that they could equal, or even beat what Don was doing performance wise. The edge Yenko had was in how the public viewed the cars. It was in how they were promoted. And Don was very good at this. With his racing success (name recoginition), nation wide dealer network and extensive advertising program, the public saw Yenko built cars as something special. In the same way as the Stephani family did with Nickey and Joel Rosen (with he help of Marty Schorr) did with Motion. And, IMO that carries over to today. There were many dealers, such as JD, who were doing the same thing as these three, but on a smaller scale (publicity wise). One of the reasons Yenko was so prominent in the midwest was because of Span, INC. AKA James Spencer, who was Yenko's sales rep, working I believe out of Chicago.

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I was talking to a guy who used to have muscle cars but is now heavily into Porsche. He was telling me he used to own a yellow Yenko Camaro between 1973 to 1984. He bought it from the original owner who lived in Joliet IL. When he bought the car it was original but the owner put a small block in it because the big block ate to much gas. This was a stripped and emblemed, car the original motor was sitting in the corner of the garage. I asked him if the tach was on the column or in the dash, he said in the dash. This tells me it was more than likely a JD Yenko since all PA Yenkos sold out of JD were early cars. I am almost positive this car belongs to someone on this board. He believes he still has the vin number to the car and also has slides of the car, and will give them to me. I think most people agree that most JD cars came with some sort of Yenko identification on them. That means there werte probably 18 PA yenkos and maybe 20-23 JD Yenkos in the area. No matter what anybody thinks know back then they were Yenkos. I think this is why they are so well known in the midwest.

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Interesting poll results...........

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Yenko,
When talking to the orig. owner to my Byrnes. Bros. COPO. I had mentioned that I had bought his old camaro and that it was a COPO camaro he had never heard of the term. He remembers them as being advertised as SS 427 Camaro's. He recalls seeing some Yenko's their but at the time there were about 7 "SS 427" Camaro's in the lot when he bought his. He was looking for a FAST camaro for a reasonable price and $3900,00 would do the trick. I even recall a member of this board buying his Yenko new and removing the stripes cause he thought they looked stupid. "Forgive me Don for saying that" Most people didn't even care they just wanted a FAST car. That is just my thoughts, I can't say if I would have wanted all that flare and attention bought to myself with the stripes and emblems. I like the SLEEPER look myself. "MOF" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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So, are you stating that Byrnes Bros. COPO owners now want to be recognized as SS 427 owners? LOL!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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Stefano....quit paying all your friends stuff the ballot box

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In speaking with the original owner, he did say that the car was badged when he bought it but not striped.

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"In speaking with the original owner,.... He said that he purchased the car as a Yenko and paid Yenko money, somwhere around $4500 he stated."

Clint, I am confused. Since I have never seen your car or spoken to any of the prior owners the only info I have is that which was provided by you.

You told me that the car was in an accident, rear 1/4 and tail panel and already possibly completely repainted in the picture you have dated circa 1971, which you showed me at the Fall '02 Chevy/Vette Fest

Has the original owner provided info, to the contrary of what he told you earlier regarding your car?

My preference would be to restore it back to the way it was sold off the showroom floor. If it had no stripes then I would keep it that way. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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As I have continued to have conversations with the original owner, the story about how the car originally came has evolved. I simply spoke too soon when I stated the car was badged. It is a fact that the original owner of the car was under the impression that he purchased a Yenko. In my initial conversation with him, he did stated that the car was badged as a Yenko and that is why I was so excited because it appeared that we solved a piece of the mystery behind these cars. I also spoke with his best friend, Nick M, who claimed to have pictures of my car when it was close to new, and he also stated that the car was badged. He was at the dealership the day my car was purchased and he had purchased his Yenko Chevelle on the same day. I believe that Chris S also had this conversation with him and he stated the same thing. In more recent conversation, the original owner now states that although the car may not have been badged externally, he definately remembers Yenko decals within the engine compartment. I have not gotten back with his best friend to confirm the information. Therefor, based on the information that I have, the car appears to be a Double COPO. Based on inaccuracy from the original owner and his best friend, I will not put any Yenko markings on the car until a picture is produced of the engine compartment showing Yenko decals. Even though the original owner was under the impression that the car was a Yenko, for whatever reason, the car is simply not and will not be represented as such. Based on my research, it has been difficult for me to take the information from the original owner and his best friend and consider it the gospel. Another example of this would be that his friend, when I initially contacted him, stated to me and Chris that his Yenko Chevelle was striped at Jack Douglass Chevrolet and also stated that his car was a Jack Douglass car as opposed to a Cannonsburg car. It was not until he started digging up original paperwork on the car that he said that his car was from Cannonsburg. This was a long time ago and the facts, in some situations, are not clear. I believe that one of a couple things may have happened with my car. Either the car did have Yenko decals in the engine compartment and when I posed the question to him whether or not the car was badged he was speaking in terms of the engine decals, or, at the dealership that day, the salesperson represented the car as a Yenko and used that Yenko name as a sales tactic. Who knows? Never the less, just because the original owner was under the impression that he purchased a Yenko, does not make it a Yenko. Especially since I have no documentation proving so. Keep in mind, I am not speaking on behalf of all of the Douglass cars. I believe that some were striped and badged, just not mine. As far as the accident goes, the car was involved in an accident with the second owner. The car was hit in the tail panel and the rear right quarter. As the restorer was stripping the car, he came to the conclusion that the tail panel and quarter panel were still the original and that they had cheap repairs done to them when they were damaged. The car may have been repainted but I am now certain that the picture was taken prior to the accident. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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Very honest and refreshing information Clint.Thanks for sharing and shedding some light. Memories get cloudy after 30 years so I'm sure the original info was honestly given to you and you passed that information along....I can't imagine trying to remember ANYTHING from 1969...

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Bob is it just a blur of purple haze??? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Did you ever see that bumper sticker that says "If you can remember the 60's you were'nt there!" [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I can't remember all the details on a car I looked at 2 days ago, so I can't see how so many people think they can remember something from 30+ years ago. Take the 427 Chevelle convertible thread for example. The original owner swore it was a 427. But on the other side of this situation is the fact that you can't ignore the stories people tell either or we'll never find any of the lost cars. Good information Clint.

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I think it was orange sunshine !!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

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Sounds like Frank and Bob are looking at this dicsussion through a different Windowpane! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

Seriously, though, if these two friends picked up a Yenko Chevelle and a COPO Camaro on the same day at the same dealership, it's very easy to see how the memory of those two cars could be blurred together, especially after 34 years.
jmho,
-Sam

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I have recieved pictures of the White Douglass Yenko from the original owner, the car is still all original and only 6 months old so this is how it came from the factory. Yenko crest in rear and also above the body line on the front fender

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/g...01145029PM.jpg

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