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Just out of curiosity, why is "any old POP book" OK?

Re: #CE L88 427BBC long block value
 

The judging manual just calls for the contents of the glove box to include delivery items including the plastic pouch, owners manual, jacking instructions, radio instructions, Warranty Plate and any other items that may be year specific. Since most folks don't have their original Warranty Plate, a repop or one from another car will work with no point deduction. You can even use the booklet with no metal card in it. Their pretty easy going on this. They just don't like it when you borrow it from your friends car that was just judged.

Re: #CE L88 427BBC long block value
 

Is this a CE restamp?

Re: #CE L88 427BBC long block value
 

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Is this a CE restamp?

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it looks nothing like mine!

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Re: #CE L88 427BBC long block value
 

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If it is an early '69 casting number, it won't work in a '67 L88, but would probably be fine in a '69 L88.

[/ QUOTE ] Since the block is a CE stamp, an early 69 dated 512 would be a good match for a 67 L88 car. CE motors could have been installed 3 years after the date of the car[not the build date of the car but the sale date which could be several months after the build date in addition to the 3 year warranty period]..If ncrs accepts CE block,yet expects the date to preceed the car or allows more points when it does , they arent being realistic.

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I am in full agreement of this statement!

Wouldnt the warranty run of cores fulfill cars made, or maybe just 25% of the actual engines made.

As well, Chevrolet offering these motors as shortblocks for sale to the public at the dealership.

I would assume GM assembled warranty and public purchase units to the build of an L88 in 69 as the run was allowed prior to release.

I was just looking at it the same way Chuck does here.
I just felt that any CE block followed the release GM gave, during and after the cars were offered.

Thus my intention was of the thought my K-4-9 block followed the run made.
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Re: #CE L88 427BBC long block value
 

NCRS does not treat CE blocks any different than any block. The casting number must be correct for the year of the car and the casting date must be before the build date of the car to avoid a point deduction, period. If you have a '67 big block Corvette, the casting number needs to be 3904351. A 512 block would receive a 350 point deduction if it had CE stamped on it or if it had JE (435 horse L71 motor). They don't care if the motor was replaced by GM under warranty two years after the sale of the car or not. If you had a warranty motor that was replaced in a '67 Corvette six months after it was purchased and the block carried the 3904351 part number, but the casting date was three months after the build date, you receive a 175 point deduction. There is no special treatment for a CE block or a block with no stamping at all.
It's a very simple and fair set up. I'd be upset if some guy showed up with a '69 Corvette with a block dated one year after the build date of the car (CE block) and he received the same lack of deduction as my original engine '69 Corvette.

Re: #CE L88 427BBC long block value
 

I might be wrong but under the current judging standards would a warrany CE block not be considered second tier to a correctly dated restoration block with a non conforming block pad? I don't think anyone is advocating the CE should be excluded from conventional judging standards as it is obviously a non original component. We can leave that can of worms to the block restamping industry. What would be the detrimental impact of embracing the reality of the CE block and incorporating its specific characteristics into judging standards? I believe it would bring some nice examples to the show field. Under current conditions why waste the time and energy?

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That's a good point (about bringing out CE blocks that would receive nearly a 600 point deduction). A CE block would only receive the points for the broach being present if everything else was too late for the car. With a 575 point decutcion, a car could, at best receive a Second Flight .
That would be a chore for those that revise the judging manual. I don't know how they'd reward a documented CE block, or if true documentation of one is possible.
I'd love to see a true CE block car show up, if nice car, I'd like to see it do well in judging.

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That's a good point (about bringing out CE blocks that would receive nearly a 600 point deduction). A CE block would only receive the points for the broach being present if everything else was too late for the car. With a 575 point decutcion, a car could, at best receive a Second Flight .

[/ QUOTE ] This is exactly the point why guys with legitimate CE cars pull them out and restamp them. Its not just the ncrs,people will do whatever gets them the most points at a national show. Certainly if someone starts out with a motor that wont allow them to top flight ,thats the first thing they will address .

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The casting number must be correct for the year of the car and the casting date must be before the build date of the car to avoid a point deduction, period.

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Ummmmm....
Hhmmmm!

As I am reading this, you are Specifically pointing out (NCRS) Judging only.
A 351 block in a 67 Vette must have a preceding build/casted date repalcement CE Block.
Now, Why is this original block being replaced by a previously assembled engine?
OK, maybe an engine failure prior to shipment, maybe.
Seems logical.
However, I still stand to Chuck's pointe that a latter date code should be valid, and why not???!!!!!!
Does the dealer actually look for a previously date coded replacement block back in 67?
NO!
They will replace it with the appropriate GM authorized unit, and one that is available to either be shipped for installation at the Chevrolet dealer, or with the appropriate unit, either at that dealership, or one from a local dealership in the vicinity.
Tell me, how many of these CE blocks did they have to choose from back in 1967?

I find it hard to believe that a natural order of preselection occurred back then, but maybe there were shortblocks sitting ready to be used.
But how available was that 351 Block in, for example, in Flagstaff, Arizona...when the engine let go?
Did the Chevrolet dealer or division hunt down a previously dated 351 CE L88 specifically for this car?
How many 351 CE L88s were in that vicinity?

I am suggesting only that the following CE stamped and coded L88 was assembled as a warranty replacement or as an over the counter unit for sale to the public.