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------Geez Steve,,,I turned my head upside down and Ill be darned if you arent right!!!! It would take a Mopar guy to point that out......Bill S

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At what point does the survivor become a restoration project? I picked this L65/M38 factory a/c car up recently. Original 63 Champaign paint thats thin and rust breaking through on the quarter wells and lower front fenders. The headliner and vinyl top are toast. Do I leave it alone or start the restoration dance. It does have all the docs down to the original dealer paper plate but isnt all that rare of a car all in all.

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The engine compartment seems fairly original and obviously untouched. The mileage shows 67K miles and supposedly original.

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The interior needs a good scrubbing but should be able to save everything but the headliner.

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Wow, another neat old SURVIVOR!

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Whose are the Impala's that you posted pictures of. Just curious I took the same pictures when I had that collection offered to me several years ago in Phila. I could not make a deal as no one had a straight answer on any of the titles. Jim

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At what point does the survivor become a restoration project? I picked this L65/M38 factory a/c car up recently. Original 63 Champaign paint thats thin and rust breaking through on the quarter wells and lower front fenders. The headliner and vinyl top are toast. Do I leave it alone or start the restoration dance. It does have all the docs down to the original dealer paper plate but isnt all that rare of a car all in all.

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Correction, yours IS rare to find in that original condition! They're only original once!

As a spectator, I'd give your car a gooood look-over before I spent time looking at a restored car. As a buyer, I'd pay you more for the car as it sits now than after you painted it. Personally, I'd replace the headliner and the vinyl top and leave the rest alone - rust and all.

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Correction, yours IS rare to find in that original condition! They're only original once!

As a spectator, I'd give your car a gooood look-over before I spent time looking at a restored car. As a buyer, I'd pay you more for the car as it sits now than after you painted it. Personally, I'd replace the headliner and the vinyl top and leave the rest alone - rust and all.

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I agree. It's way too clean to restore...I love looking at cars like that!

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Dunno Jim, Somebody posted the pictures on one of the Chevy Forums I found. Damn....are these for sale? Did they sell? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

I'm not far from Philly.

Jeffx2 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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That is a survivor!
I believe that percentage rule should be called just that- "The car is 25% restored" NOT a survivor.

Keep the Camaro the way it is, wax up that rust for as long as you can. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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OK, thats what I'll do. Top and headliner and wear the surface rust with a badge of honor. I hope I have paint left after the buff and wax https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif It seems when I touch something it snowballs! I'll just have to listen to my wise mothers advice "don't pick at it" ha ha.

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Hi Pat,

The million dollar question is should I leave alone or restore. Ultimately it is your choice, however once restored all historical data is lost. As you know the build process was very unique based on build date, plant, options and model. This being the case the more unrestored examples left as is the better it is in defining standards for restorations.

Now if a car has been abused and subject to the elements then it probably has little historical data or significance. I would fluff the car up enough without being invasive in the process (make it the best it can be as is).

If you decide to restore it, document as much as you can during the tear down process. This information is very valuable. Another option is to participate in our Vintage Camaro Certification process (have it documented) and then have it restored. This is what LV did with his Dana car last year. That car was a real hit at the nationals last year. Presently it is being restored by the SCW.

BTW we would love to see the cars at the Camaro Nationals @ Carlisle

From what I can tell from the pics it looks awesome.

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The next Hot Trend in '69 Camaros: non-SS/Z stockers! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a2...9350Camaro.jpg

Make mine a 327/PG with wire wheel covers and belted whitewalls. (But I'd take this one in a second.) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Damn, that's a cool car! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Kinda partial to this one too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif