Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

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..... and your silly trailer queen certification process.

I drive my cars, I don't worship em.

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Rich-

Wanting to avoid the open can of worms as much as possible ....I can assure the Vintage Certification process does not involve trailer queen cars. These cars have been driven and remained untouched. This program is one of the best at determining real authentic original cars. The process takes a team of people that spend many hours combing over every aspect of the car. I wouldn't call it silly, IMHO as it denigrates the people who actually are taking the hours to look over the car. Some of them are members of this site.

As far as this Z goes, I agree... nice price for what is represented as a true #'s matching car with no factory docs. If I wasn't saving my $'s for Charlie's car I'ld be all over this one, warts and all~

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

Nice car good price! Still NOT a survivor to me. There were some real nice examples of survivor cars at Vettefest this year. Look at Dennis Cumby's car, stood the test of time in the midwest and still retains its originality and original owner in every way I believe. So how can a car like that be compared to a car with even just one repaint? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Like Steve basically said about the Z a good car for a good price. Worth the money.

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

In the best interests, and health of this thread (and for the potential sale of my car), could we please keep the "he said, she said, I think, you think" conversation to a minimum, or relocate it to your PM's?

We have all learned something, expressed our feelings, and probably learned something along the way. Hell, I didn't know "survivor" was a judging term! I thought it was slang, or a catch phrase like "barn fresh".

...but seriously, could you please respect this post, and limit dialogue to topics directly related to THIS car, not cars in general?

Thank you all....

-adam

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

Bait shop closed. Worms sleeping.

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

adam,i was just trying to keep your listing on top https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

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Hell, I didn't know "survivor" was a judging term! I thought it was slang, or a catch phrase like "barn fresh".
-adam

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Or copyrighted https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

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In the best interests, and health of this thread (and for the potential sale of my car), could we please keep the "he said, she said, I think, you think" conversation to a minimum, or relocate it to your PM's?

We have all learned something, expressed our feelings, and probably learned something along the way. Hell, I didn't know "survivor" was a judging term! I thought it was slang, or a catch phrase like "barn fresh".

...but seriously, could you please respect this post, and limit dialogue to topics directly related to THIS car, not cars in general?

Thank you all....

-adam

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Adam, Welcome to the site!

We needed a bit of refocusing.

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

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Adam, Welcome to the site!

We needed a bit of refocusing.

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Yep...Hey, it's almost the weekend (for some people https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif)!

Almost Christmas, too!

Good luck with the sale Adam! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

Adam, Your car should sell very soon. You have it priced reasonable and it is a great color https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
Who gives a crap about someone's definition of "survivor"
...Hell I think "survivor should NOT be "original paint and parts"...but what about the cars that are still driven on the highways with all those nit wits out there
with their "zoom-zoom " cars....I think "survivor" should go to the ones that have registered their cars and driven them on the public highways ....and still "SURVIVED" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif


Who else on this site has driven their Yenko Camaro over 300 miles this past year?...

...If you have ..my hats off to you https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
I have https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

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Adam, Your car should sell very soon. You have it priced reasonable and it is a great color https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
Who gives a crap about someone's definition of "survivor"
...Hell I think "survivor should NOT be "original paint and parts"...but what about the cars that are still driven on the highways with all those nit wits out there
with their "zoom-zoom " cars....I think "survivor" should go to the ones that have registered their cars and driven them on the public highways ....and still "SURVIVED" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif


Who else on this site has driven their Yenko Camaro over 300 miles this past year?...

...If you have ..my hats off to you https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
I have https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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I have driven mine over 500 miles this year and some of them like I stole it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

I rarely chime in on this kind of stuff...but....

Survivor is one of the great descriptive words in our hobby. I'm sure there are different degrees to define it. The definition of 'survivor' has special meaning to those of us who actually own one, like myself. Our cars are often a little rough around the edges as compared to a car that has received any degree of a restoration.

To me, you need a whole lot more than matching #'s to qualify a car as a survivor.

It's a word that we in the hobby should fight to keep it's original meaning.

Words like 'classic,' 'Musclecar' and even 'supercar' have been all cheapened over the years..It would be nice if we understood what a 'survivor' car really is and didn't just throw the term around so loosly.

You would have to have an unbelievably wide definition [and wrong headed in my view] of 'survivor' to qualify this Z-28 as one. IMHO

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

Jim, did you have something like this in mind....???

wilma https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

ps...Happy Holidays

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/305653-69nova.jpg

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

Geez Wilma, I know for a fact that car doen't have the original gas in the tank...air in the tire maybe...but gas in the tank...I'll have to check the guidlines on this one....

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Now that was funny!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

------Hey!!! Survivor type cars are cool, no matter to what degree. Their coolness comes from what they can teach us about how to restore the cars that need restoration. Thats why Dave B of B/G fame started the original program. He saw (correctly) that people were restoring nice original cars simply because they wanted them perfect for judging purposes. He wanted a way to honor original cars so as to keep original cars around. I think that the various different survivor type judgings (B/G, NCRS, etc.) have done a huge amount for the continued expanding of quality restorations that seem to show up around the country.
------Now as to weather this Camaro is a survivor or not, I hate to play the middle ground but it just depends on your outlook. Hey its still around and hasnt been crushed so it has survived a lot!!!........Bill S

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

Just to add to the definition topic I think there should be a definition, or clarification, to the word "restored" as well. I can't tell you how many modified cars you see listed on Ebay and other sites listed as restored when they are anything but.
Rebuilt, refurbished maybe but, not restored. Just another one of the many over used words in this hobby.

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

Dave, I agree with you on that one. Although I consider my 69 Z as a nice car it really is not restored. Just has a nice paint job and is fixed up pretty nice. Too many cars on ebay are misleading with "restored".

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

Suppose a guy kept his car in a storage garage, and then decided to sell it. If it didn't sell, and he put it back in the garage, would it be considered re-stored?

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

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Wow. I have never seen a chalk mark that brite or clear before either. Also, all the ones that I have seen have alot more glue on the brace. Of course, I have only seen 8-10 in person, so my experiance may be limited.



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Here is another for your inspection X11 04C NOR
More glue

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ke/copo817.jpg

Mike

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

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Wow. I have never seen a chalk mark that brite or clear before either. Also, all the ones that I have seen have alot more glue on the brace. Of course, I have only seen 8-10 in person, so my experiance may be limited.



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Here is another for your inspection X11 04C NOR
More glue

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...ke/copo817.jpg

Mike

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Here is an example of an 3B NOR X44. https://www.yenko.net/attachments/305879-X44.jpg

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

That's interesting. Where's all that the glue on the survivor car?

Rick H.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-...tX7Marking.JPG

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

There was no exact amount of glue that was used... some have more than others. The car you posted still has the package shelf flap covering alot of the glue...if the flap was pulled up you'd likely find a very similar residue of glue, maybe not "quite" as much, but very similar. I don't see why anyone would assume every car had the exact same amount of glue or the exact same style of hand written X codes. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif All these things were just hastily and sloppily applied by some line worker in about 2 seconds without concern over who would be scrutinizing their work 35 years later.

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

bump....

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

To remain 100% honest, and give the absolute best, accurate description of the car that I can up front, I learned this past weekend that the drivers side rear quarter panel on the car has been replaced at some point. I learned this after shoving a digital camera up inside the quarter from inside the trunk and snapping a few pictures. I could see the original quarter coming off the pillar, and where it was cut. The new quarter was overlaid and welded in place. The passengers side looks NOTHING like this, and as far as I can tell, it is the original quarter. Pics below.

I also learned that the spare tire is an XT coded wheel with K-1-9 stamped into it. The wheels on the car are not stamped with XT, or anything special. They are just a rallye wheel from who knows what.

Also, at the request of several individuals wondering what the floorpans looked like, I pulled the interior from the car, and removed the carpet to take a couple pictures.

The insulation / sound deadening (?) material on the floors, and under the seats looks older than the hills, and I would appreciate it if somebody could tell me if it appears to be what the original stuff was. It is almost a wool/burlap/ kind of material under the seats and on the floorpans, with a rubbery kind of sheet draped over the "hump" in the floor under the rear seat.

As I said, I have disclosed this new discovery to several folks on the phone and emailed them pics, so to keep all parties equally informed, as well as those browsing, here are the pics.

I hope everybody here had a very Merry Christmas.

-adam



INSIDE DRIVERS REAR QUARTER (1)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-...driversqp2.JPG

INSIDE DRIVERS REAR QUARTER (2)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-...driversqp1.JPG

INSIDE PASSENGERS REAR QUARTER
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-...sengersqp1.JPG

FRONT SEATS
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-6/1028580/seats.JPG

FLOORS(1)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-6/1028580/1.JPG

FLOORS(2)
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-6/1028580/2.JPG

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

I have seen an X44 Fathom Green Copo 9561 Camaro with G4 coded.

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

Its odd there would be an XT wheel for a spare, should have YH coded rally wheels all around, including the spare.

Re: 69 Z-28 survivor
 

I assume that the wheels and tires are 15x7 on the car and the XT wheel would be a 14x7. Let me know if you want to get rid of the wrong wheel.
Mark Sheppard