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I would have to agree with Charley and Jeff, restore it back as a race car and run the s--t out of it.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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before jumping the gun on making it a day 2 COPO i would trace every last detail of this cars history. i sat here (on this board) and asked a general question about anyone remembering a 1970 GTO Judge out of Albertville, Alabama and ended up finding the original owner with original documents. the car hadn't been in Alabama since 1972! there are people out there who know the history of this car (COPO or not) and all that MUST be addressed before deciding on the fate of said camaro!

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Why pay $20K for a car your going to make a Day 2 COPO out of?

Restoration costs of even making a presentable race car out of that thing aside, why make a drag car out of it when you can find 50 others that you don't have to pay $20K for, but $2K. I do know that how fast you go is directly proportional to what you spend, so once again, it seems like a bad investment.

Where one is starting from with that car, just about any old leftover drag car/rustbucket will do, and you could buy one of those repro tags and say it's COPO regardless, because none of the COPO parts are there to contradict.

Hence the saga comes full-circle.

I need help.

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King Midas,

So, if you got a 69 CoPo drivetrain, even the BE rear, and put it in a six banger, would that make it a CoPo?

My point is that the cars are the same, only the drivetrains and some other associated parts were special (as far as I know).

Which leads to the argument that the 6cyl "Clone" car was never a CoPo and never will be. Which of course begs the question, if this car discussed here was a real CoPo, won't it always be one, even if it had a six banger in it?

For someone like me, this would have been a deal. I can't fork up the 185K for a finished CoPo, but could afford 20k for a project. I could work on it for a few years and in the end have the same car many of those out there do, a NOM original CoPo car. How much metal repalcement is too much? Many CoPo's out there have new quarters, and in some cases floors.

In the end though, I do kinda like Charley's idea of a day two, real CoPo, that you could run the snot out of at the track!

IMHO,

Rich

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So you can pay 2K for a 6 cyl car or 20K for what we think is a COPO. It costs the same dollars to build either car. One is gonna be worth alot more when it is done. I would much rather pay the 20K for the COPO. So you then throw 50K at building it...Pretty cool COPO for 70K. The trick is proving it is a COPO.

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I think a COPO with race history would be much cooler restored to raced condition. Especially a car like this since the original drivetrain is gone and the car might have real race history. But that's my point of view and I'm sure other people would restore it back to original. Should be cool to see what happens.

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I think a COPO with race history would be much cooler restored to raced condition. Especially a car like this since the original drivetrain is gone and the car might have real race history.

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Thats what Bill thought with the #1 ZL1, hell I would take that one over a restored one anyday... By the way, where are these $2000.00 69 camaro's at???? All the trash I see starts around $3500.00 for a shell... Good luck whoever ended up with the car... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Were are all the 2K 69 Camaro's at?...BKH https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Brian I'm in line first!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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I'm 1 minute behind...I bet its a long one...BKH https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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$2k was a number that I've seen totally wasted rot-boxes for sale for. Swamp finds, etc... Arbitrary, yes. But, about what you were getting with that supposed COPO. There were NO usable panels-- None.

My point is that a COPO starts out life no differently than any other "body in white". Essentially, at that point, any '69 camaro will do. So, paring this down even further, it seems confusing to me what you're actually paying for in a case like this. If someone can clue me in, be my guest.

What are you paying for? The trim tag? Seems pretty stupid to me when they can be had from "other" sources.

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The "other" source for a trim tag is a repo trim tag. This trim tag on this car is part of the guts of this car and helps make it what it is. From the indicators on the car it appears this car came with a 427 from the factory. Most of the people that frequent this site are here because of that type of car and this kind of find is what it is all about. You can go get a body in white and build a nice clone but when you are done you still have a clone. I looked back at the auction and there are plenty of usable panels. This is not even close to a swamp find.....And you get a free trailer.

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A COPO is a COPO no matter whether it has an engine, or anything left for that matter just as a base V8 is a base V8 whether it has tags that say it is a Z28 or a SS or even if it has a MN 427 in it that has a vin that matches the cars VIN it is what it left the factory as... Anyone can clone a car or swap the tags (well almost) but it takes someone who is determined and appreciates them to bring one back from the dead.

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It seems from your comments your rather a newbie in the camaro arena. Before you make comment about the purchase of the car like " What are you paying for? The trim tag? Seems pretty stupid to me " Educate your self in COPO/ Super Car world.

In my opinon, it was a great opportunity to own a COPO rather inexpensively. Yes it needs a lot of work, but to each his own. To some, it brings a great sense of pride and satisfaction resurrecting these basket cases.

Also lets not speculate that this is going to rebodied car at some point. I am sure the new owner would appreciate our support rather than bashing.

Who knows the history of this car, it may turn out to have a historical background.

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It looks like it might have a real good cahnce on being the scuncio sponsored race car and it will be restored to the way it was raced if it is all correct to the research according to the new owner should be pretty cool. Sean https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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This is not even close to a swamp find.....And you get a free trailer.

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No Charley!!! The trailer was $20,000 and you get a free car... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Less than 1/2 of a % (percent) of all '69 Camaros were ever produced with a COPO performance option. Uncovering a "new find" is a big deal, in my book, as is having the opportunity to bring one back to its former prominence.

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It looks like it might have a real good cahnce on being the scuncio sponsored race car and it will be restored to the way it was raced if it is all correct to the research according to the new owner should be pretty cool. Sean https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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Just want to be clear not saying it is the scuncio race car but could be a chance it came from scuncio. With more research we will let you know still a copo though. sean

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Doubt it was ordered by Scuncio. It might have ultimately been sold by them, but theres a better than 90 percent chance it was originally ordered by Funston Chevrolet in Detroit, and any paperwork (window sticker, shipper forms etc.) would show them as the original dealer. If Scuncio sold it in a dealer trade then the only evidence would be the original bill of sale. Besides Funston is less than 100 miles away from where it sits today, while Scuncio is probably 800 miles or so. Bet the car hasn't left the SE corner of Michigan/NW corner of Ohio its whole life.

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I'd go along with that...only 10 cars away from COPO_Pete's Funston COPO and only 4 off another...

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Why pay $20K for a car your going to make a Day 2 COPO out of?
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Where one is starting from with that car, just about any old leftover drag car/rustbucket will do, and you could buy one of those repro tags and say it's COPO regardless, because none of the COPO parts are there to contradict.

Hence the saga comes full-circle.

I need help.

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I can't tell you how distrurbing that statement is. Especially the part about "buy one of those repro tags and say it's COPO". That is what we call fraud. I won't even get into the whole argument about there being no such thing as a repro tag, only forgeries.

Lynn Bilodeau

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Less than 1/2 of a % (percent) of all '69 Camaros were ever produced with a COPO performance option. Uncovering a "new find" is a big deal, in my book, as is having the opportunity to bring one back to its former prominence.

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That kind of puts it all in perspective...less than 1/2 of one percent...WOW. Good luck to the new owner https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I'd go along with that...only 10 cars away from COPO_Pete's Funston COPO and only 4 off another...

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That being said.... I am told it is one body # off a Scunico race car COPO..... could be sister cars! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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20K for a ex race car that needs everything?? very very steep. 20k for a copo ex race car. a very very good deal.how if at all can it be PROVEN to be a real copo?? if it cant its just another hacked up 69.

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Was that Scuncio race car originally a 10-10 car? If so check the body number again, cause its quite a few more than 1 number away. I know about two 10-10 Scuncios with slightly higher body numbers one built a couple of days before this car and one probably the day after. I'd still place my money on Funston as being the ordering dealer.

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I think someone does have the COPO Camaro VINs.

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good buy!! after all that nonsense with the Baldwin Motion Nova that was all BS its nice to see something thats legit!

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would the vin to the car be on copo connections old website if all his info was still on there?
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The info is still there, but the VIN on this Ebay car isn't listed. VINs without tag info is pretty much useless though.

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Was this car ever verified as a copo??? JQ.