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I have a few orig paint cars and some of the imperfections on them had to be quite noticeable to the dealer and the orig purchaser ie:runs,sags,blotchy areas,missed areas etc and still they were not addressed.I also work at a dealer and i think people were just not as pickey back then (a car was just a car) transportation ,now- a- days people live in thier cars and are more in tune with them, more than one occasion we had customers flipping out if there,s a damm scratch or dent on the car anywhere!! and they want it fixed before they take delivery, although pretty rare as the quality control is better in the plants the transport and the dealers, remember back then most people bought from the big 3 so the cars sold pretty much reguardless if they had faults or not. But today there is so many companies and models to choose from everyone wants to give u the best possible car for your money...so they say https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

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whoa.
I didn't mean to say theres "no way" its 411 miles...I just doubt it personally, or, theres more to the story on this car.

Plus this is only my .02, so no one take it personally k?

In any event, some of the 411 mile importance is obviously forever lost on this car,due to someones meddling.

I'm sure Jack would like to paint and primp parts of his low mile 70 Z, but he knows the original untouched(as much as possible) low miler is the way to go.

Of obvious repaints are all the radiator support top,and rad hold down areas on this Chevelle. Compare to the condition of the phosphated latch plate, which looks worse for wear than the paint areas all while being a tougher coating than the paint?
Also fender to door alignment is way off on both sides, and not even close to how "as delivered" alignment would be, and that along with the color match questions would raise suspicions about whats been done here.

"Maybe" the car has 411 miles on it cause it was wiped out in the front at 411 miles, and sat for years waiting to be repaired, If so, it still only has 411 miles on it which is very cool, but its a different story from the "climate controlled environment one"

You all who mentioned it, may indeed have a point about "pictures vs. in person", as some pictures are and can be a little deceiving, but some things seem glaringly obvious on this car.

I still like and appreciate the car, and its milage, just seems a little fishy.

In the end its always buyer beware as usual anyway...
Mark.

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Somebody say '93 Camaro Indy Pace car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...576163706QQrdZ1
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One source for the vacuum plating would be..

www.cvvacuumplaters.com

There are other sources for "general" dash restoration. Just Dashes would be one of several.

It would be my belief that the 4 smaller gauges surrounding the speedometer (turn signals, emerg. brake light, etc.) should not have the vacuum plating for the 70-72 Chevelle SS. Another questonable element for this 410 mile car.

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One source for the vacuum plating would be..

www.cvvacuumplaters.com

There are other sources for "general" dash restoration. Just Dashes would be one of several.

It would be my belief that the 4 smaller gauges surrounding the speedometer (turn signals, emerg. brake light, etc.) should not have the vacuum plating for the 70-72 Chevelle SS. Another questonable element for this 410 mile car.

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Know it is so (i.e. no plating) for 70 'velles wrt vacuum plating around those indicators, not sure about 71/72. Hey MR70 - you got your ears on? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/laugh.gif

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Well, all things considered, you can't break the guyz testicles (am I allowed to say BALLS in here?) as a car from 1972!!! Come guyz, that's 33 years. Wished I look that good after 33 years! Nice car. Don't think I'd go 30K though. I just paid less than that for my 67 SS427 Impala! AND IT'S GOLD 2!
Jeff
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I think its pretty neat...if the paint looks that crappy on the lowers from the factory then I guess thats cool...oh and BTW Jeff...I'm thinkin you may be a bit proud of that big car !!! Very nice...

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I can recall in the mid 70's seeing a Plymouth on the show room floor with Factory dual stripes and where it met up in the front of the car the top stripe on the left met up with the bottom stripe on the right!

Also remember that when these cars were at the factory and being delivered they had some accidents. The repairs were done before delivery to the dealer. So some panels off color could also have resulted from that.

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Somebody say '93 Camaro Indy Pace car?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...576163706QQrdZ1
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[/ QUOTE ] My point exactly...in 20 years people will be saying no way and https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif but there are lots of cars "tucked away" like that.

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One source for the vacuum plating would be..

www.cvvacuumplaters.com

Thanks for the lead...wow,$605 + shipping to do the dash bezels air vents,and the center "Chevelle" emblem! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Back to the 410 mile time capsule:

I especially liked the post from the painter w/30- yrs. experience at the assembly point.He did shed some light on the possible things that could have happen.I can believe that people weren't as picky as they are now...to a point.
The comment about most cars purchased from the Big 3 back then rings true and I think quality was probably more of a "take it or leave it" proposition.I think we all know quality control wasn't what it is now.

I am in the automotive business and just wanted to chip in my .02 as to the how the manufacturers handle these problems now.Most have HUGE staging areas where gazillions of vehicles of various makes are unloaded from the railcars and are held until being sorted and transported to the dealers.All kinds of damage happens here or during transportation to them..These staging areas have their own body shops and paint booths.
They do repairs all the time and if it is under a certain dollar amount ($500 I believe),they do not have to disclose it to the dealer.I have seen some of the worst repairs you can imagine and then I have seen repairs that were hardly noticeable unless you were told.I have chased down water leaks in brand new cars and traced them back to the staging areas only to learn shoddy repairs were made there.

This stuff happens all the time and I bet it happened even more so way back when... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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I have seen this car in person, and almost purchased it last year. The last non dealer owner of this car was Mike Sayles of mass who is married to Ruth Pointer of the Pointer sisters. The car was aguirred by Doc's classic auto in milford mass last year. I lokked at the car at his facility. He had some light detailing under the hood, radiator support and suspension to remove a light rust scale. I became suspicious of the car and did some research. I got wind that Chris White of hopkinton mass did some work to this car. Chris was at my place for a car inspection and i asked him about that car. He told me straight out the car was a malibu and he cloned it to an "SS".. he put the hood on the car and installed the dash, he also painted the stripes and had to paint the bottom of the fenders as to change the emblem holes. For all you people that cant tell only the bottoms of the fenders has been blended.. Maybe Chris can shed more light to this malibu. SM

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If the car has the orig. pop and is not a dupe, wouldn't it show a non-super sport engine code?

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I dont believe so in 72

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Talk about strange,, 3 weeks ago this car was on ebay from seller "usacycles" #4571740912....WITH A BIN OF $75K

Now on with BIN of $38500

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You're absolutely right! I watched that auction from start to end.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...focusZbsQQfviZ1

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I believe some people got to the owner, Randy and cast some doubt on the authenticity...... SM

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The auction just ended with a "buy it now" bigmoney321 is the winner of this low mile clone

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The trim tag should tell you if the car started out as a Malibu or a Chevelle...again,if it's the orig. trim tag.

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Well, it looks like "bigmoney321" used the "Buy it Now" option for $38,500.00. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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Well, it looks like "bigmoney321" used the "Buy it Now" option for $38,500.00. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif

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Look at his bid history and tell me if you think he bought that fake.

I bet not! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

Rick H.

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Pretty disgusting is a kind way of expressing my thoughts.

I believe the only way in this example ('72) one would have been able to find out if it truly were an SS would be through a buildsheet or POP. Cowl tag would not give you the proof as to SS or not for this year. Well, the remaining buildsheet showed little and the POP picture wasn't shot close enough to pick up any coding which would have shown (or not) a Z15 package or option. Funny how those things were conveniently hidden or unavailable.

Should have left what was probably a pretty nicely preserved original alone.

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Doesn't the VIN show what the original engine was in 72? So would that show if it's an SS or not? I don't know Chevelles all that well but I would think the engine is specific to the SS350.

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The VIN would and does in this case show a 350 V8 (2bbl.) but the SS option in 72 was now available with any V8 engine including as small as a 307. Just ordering a 350 version didn't automatically give you an SS. Had to be ordered as an option....Z15.

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Someone picked the right year to clone,but the wrong person to do it.
That's commendable of Chris to speak up. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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Weird part is the lowers of the front fenders look darker...almost like they were spotted in...

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Now, who was it again that was swearing that the mismatched paint on the bottom of those fenders had to be original? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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I bet there are a lot of crappy original bloopers....this story took a pretty drastic turn...went from wondering about little details to a full blown clone ?? Unbelievable..smallblocks suck anyway

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Just goes to show you you can't take anything for granted these days, or anybody's word for that matter. Buyer beware.

Paul

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The entire gauge cluster would have had to been changed out too, so the 411 mile odometer is also not the original one from the car. I agree, it was probably a really nice low mile original malibu that should have been left alone... now theres not really anything anyone can be sure about on the car.

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I bet there are a lot of crappy original bloopers....this story took a pretty drastic turn...went from wondering about little details to a full blown clone ?? Unbelievable..smallblocks suck anyway

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Hey Bob I'll take those two 70 small block cars off yer hands.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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I have been contacted by (jimmie hendrix) since this auction and told that i have priced my car to cheap now the price has doubled https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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I bet there are a lot of crappy original bloopers....this story took a pretty drastic turn...went from wondering about little details to a full blown clone ?? Unbelievable..smallblocks suck anyway

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Hey Belair...Hows that LT1 running?

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As any smallblock does !

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Now it makes sense why the tire pressure sticker is shown loose.

I also noticed upon closer inspection of the pics that the partial build sheet shows GS1 2.73 gears. Were 2.73s available on a legit Z15 optioned SS car in '72?

Pretty long legs for anything trying to be a legitimate performace car.

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Yes...My 72 Chevelle SS L-48 came stock with an open 2:73 KD rearend.
As I stated earlier,He picked the right Chevelle to build the Super Sport foundation on.
By 1972,Chevrolet accommadated ANY Low horse,Hi-Po profile motif.

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Pretty long legs for anything trying to be a legitimate performace car.

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My buddy's '67 SS 396 Camaro (L35/M40) came from the factory with a 2:73 Posi. He's the second owner and bought it in 1979. He still has it.

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I bet there are a lot of crappy original bloopers....this story took a pretty drastic turn...went from wondering about little details to a full blown clone ?? Unbelievable..smallblocks suck anyway

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That's a funny statement since I would rather be driving my DZ302 '69 Z/28 over my '70 LS-6 Chevelle...ANY DAY OF THE WEEK! Not that the LS-6 is bad mind you https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gifbut just a little lap time behind the wheel of a true DZ motor will convince anybody of what's real Chevrolet High Performance.

Long live the 302 & LT-1 and every other GREAT Chevy small-block ever made! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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Have you never been in a properly tuned L72 my man https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Have you never been in a properly tuned L72 my man https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Did I mention I have a '70 LS-6 4-speed Chevelle?

Yes it is fun but nothing (and I mean nothing)beats twisting a DZ302 to 8-grand...NOTHING! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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The only difference is you are actually getting somewhere in the LS 6 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif