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What is a DJ Copo & DJ Yenko? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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I'm starting to feel de-jah-vu [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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O the Humanity!

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Mr70, with all due respect, cut the sarcasm. I think you know what he meant although he did transpose the initials. Let's keep this civil.
I appreciate everyones opinions on this forum. My intent is not to make the car something that it is not. I want to get the car as close to the way it was sold originally, regardless of the way other Douglass cars came. Through my limited research, there is no way that I can say that these cars were done in a consistent fashion. Based on what I have read through the threads discussing Douglass cars, there are several testimonies on how other Douglass cars came new. Some are theory, very few are fact. I am lucky enough to have been in contact with the original owner of my car. He has made it clear to me that the car was sold to him as a Yenko and he had no impression of anything else. He did not even recognize the term COPO. The first time that I made contact with him, I stated to him that I was calling in reference to a 69 Camaro that I own and I was in the process of doing the research. His direct quote to me was "you mean my Yenko"? At that point, it was clear to me what he bought the car as, new. Although the car was not striped, he did also state that there were Yenko decals within the engine compartment. He did not recognize the exact placement. My though is this, if one has documentation supporting the way the car came originally, it should be taken back to that state. Just my opinion. With that, if one suspects that the car came a certain way originally, by all means, have it restored that way, it is your car. Finally, if you like the car a certain way, by all means, it is your car, restore it that way but prepare to have your car scrutinized.
Simply, I think that all Douglass cars are cool and from what I have gathered, the variety is what makes the Douglass cars unique. Some were baged, some were striped and some were just plain old COPOs. Never the less, they were all Douglass cars and the lack of uniformity is what makes them cool. SSl78, your car is cool and yours too Shor.

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Excellent post Clint.

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Which is probably how it should have been said a long time ago.They are cool cars..... Does anyone know how many plain COPO's were sold at JD as opposed to cars badged as Yenko's ?

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I hate to say this, but I have yet to see a JD Yenko with a set of original Yenko emblems. The cars I have seen have all had bad repos. Any ideas why?. There are differences in originals VS the modern day replicas...BKH

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To add a little back ground, Clint and I had a lengthy discussion about his car and this subject several days ago, before this thread surfaced. Here is what I told him. As per the emblems, since he has evidence of emblems on his car when new, I would put them on the car. And, I went on to say that I would love to see the car when finished and have it a the reunion. In addition, I told him that I had no problem with the cars being listed as Dougalass COPOs/Yenkos, which is the stance I took the last time around and have not changed my opinion. Of course my opinion is probably worth about as much as my typing skills, not much.

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Seems like we have reached the highest degree of agreement possible on this subject. Maybe we should leave it at that before guys start threatening to "meet up at the reunion" to settle their differances. [LOL]

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Clint_69....Lighten Up!...It's not sarcasm.
My reply was not meant towards you,but to SSL78,who I know and I consider a good friend.
John P. is a knowledgeable and valuable resource for cars.He has great facts and experience,and I was just busting his balls about his Dyslexic Typo....Nothing more. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

There is no disrespect towards you and your *Camaro.
By the way,is this the same *Camaro Chad & Rick N. visited you to buy last year???

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I apologize, I did not realize you had that relationship with him. I thought you were busting his balls.
Yes, it is the same car that was ripped apart by Chad. The car is currently far from that condition and many hours have been spent restoring the car. It is coming along quite nicely and should be done in the fall. Although the car looked terrible when I got it, it was reasonably solid. The restorer has documented the restoration very well. I am excited to get it done!!

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Mr 70, No offense taken, Brian as for why none of the cars has original emblems there is a simple explanation. In about 1986 I actually seen the car that Shor owns right now for sale on route 12 in Spring Grove. I stopped looked at it because it had Yenko stripes and Yenko emblems. The one thing that struck me funny was it had endura bumper and chambered exhaust. I took down the vin # and called Vince Emmy about it. He response was it was one of those Berger cars. I believe all double copos that werent on the Yenko list were considered berger cars. That is why when I bought my white JD Yenko it had D90 stripes and holes in the tail panel for a berger emblem, I believe put there by Bob Trez because he was probably told the same. This Jd story has only come out in the last few years. When the NICB report came back on mine it came back as a JD car. So I believe everone with theese original JD Yenkos were told they were Berger double COPOS and have been restored that way. Only one guy had left it close to the way it was found, the other dover white JD yenko. It is also odd that if there is a story of a Copo being a Yenko it usually turns out to be a JD yenko. I think this horse is dead so I leave it at that. Mr 70 no hard feelings, Tom I hope no hard feelings. So Tom if I send a picture of my car for a feature it will include Yenko some where in the heading.

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So Tom if I send a picture of my car for a feature it will include Yenko some where in the heading.

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I guess it would dpend on what documentation you have showing that your car came equipped with Yenko trim.

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Does anyone know how many plain COPO's were sold at JD as opposed to cars badged as Yenko's ?

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I asked this a few posts back...does anyone really know ?

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Belair62, I too would be curious to know if information exists that lists the Douglass COPOs sold and/or which of these cars received any sort of Yenko trim. If it exists, it would go a long ways in clearing up this debate.

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According to Jack all his COPO'S were to be sold as Yenko's, there might have been a couple that didnt have Yenko trim, because the customer didnt want it.

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This certificate is from Jack Douglass himself. Why would he lie he has nothing to gain.

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I dont know if this has been posted before but this add is from 1969. Look were it says Yenkos sold in all colors.

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Look at the emblem placement on the rear of this Yenko. The side emblems also look to be above the script. This is to early to be a JD Yenko and is also a X66 car, where all JD Yenkos were X11D80 cars. Maybe thats why JD emblems are where they are.

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This is the statement in Yenkos estate documents, it seems clear to me the Yenko emblems and trim were bought to install on theese cars. Make your own judgement.

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I guess anything is possible, but am not for sure if JD would have seen that car, as it was used as a demo at Yenko Chevy in Canonsburg. And, as far as I know, the only one with that unusual emblem placement, and 427 in the rear bow tie. This car now resides in Nashville in the Ernst collection.

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Could it be all Yenko dealers recieved that picture or some kind of brochure with that car in it, since it was probably the first car in a photo. As I understand it JD was probably one of the first dealers to get cars and might of asked for a picture early on.

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Very good research SSL78. Appears to be an obvious connection. That is the only early picture of a Yenko that I have seen with that badge placement. Are there any other Cannonsburg Yenkos that have the same placement originally? Does anybody have any other original pictures with that placement?

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Somebody has my hands tied behind my back [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Could it be all Yenko dealers recieved that picture or some kind of brochure with that car in it, since it was probably the first car in a photo. As I understand it JD was probably one of the first dealers to get cars and might of asked for a picture early on.


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OK now you guys are confusing me....if JD got some of the first Yenkos then I assume those would have been thru Yenko...what significance does the picture have ? Is this how JD badged the cars that were not from Yenko ? Does anyone have a good old straight double COPO Camaro from JD Chevrolet ?

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I noticed the style trim brightwork on the cars in the post. Were all Douglass prepared Yenkos X11? Was the white one with the blacked-out tailpan an X22?

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Bob, The first batch of cars shipped to JD were Don Yenko ordered Yenkos. I am not sure but I believe there were about 18 combined Camaro and Chevelles. That is where somebody found the sheet that had the COPO numbers on it. Jack then using those COPO numbers ordered his batch of JD Yenkos. The interesting part of that picture is people argue JD emblems are not in the same place as Yenko put them. That picture is a early Ca. Yenko and has the emblems in the same place JD put them.

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I would think that the first Canonsburg ordered cars arrived at Douglass with the emblems in the more common places. What they did to their cars is anyones guess...BKH

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Interesting thing about the "Drag Times" article posted earlier...

"Super Stock & Drag Illustrated" was also there the same day the gold prototype and the yellow Hedrick car were tested. In the SS&DI article, you can see that the gold car had the unique emblem placement, whereas the Hedrick car had the "standard" emblem placement. Both of these cars were early (X-66) cars, and if I'm not mistaken, the Hedrick car is earlier (by VIN#) than the gold "prototype" car. To my knowledge, the gold "prototype" car is the only Canonsburg car to get the "unique" emblem placement.

Someone feel free to jump in if any of that is wrong...!

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Thanks for clearing me up on that..I couldn't figure out the whole emblem deal....so...the second set of cars he ordered were actually JD COPOs which were then turned into Yenkos at JD Chevrolet...with the agreement of Don Yenko,emblems and stripes of Don Yenko on most if not all of the COPO's JD ordered.I don't think anyone would disagree that Yenko agreed to sell his stripes and emblems to JD after seeing the estate document.I think the market will decide on a case by case basis probably as to whether the first set of Canonsburg cars ordered by JD will be valued equal/more/less than the JD ordered direct cars that were given the Yenko treatment. But as was said before they are very cool and unusual cars. Just my .02 ! Either way...there sure aren't many of any of them to go around...

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Amen. belair's alter ego.

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Right.
The first batch were ordered by Yenko and invoiced to Yenko and delivered to Don in Canonsburg. They were striped, and badged and transported to Jack Douglass in Chicago.

The second batch were ordered by Jack Direct from GM. They were invoiced to Jack Douglass and delivered to Jack Douglass directly,(that's why they are a little different option wise...endura, chambered, trim, etc. etc) They never went to Canonsburg.
They were striped(or not), and badged at the Jack Douglass dealership.
Clint has done some excellent work title wise and has found the original owner of his car.
Clint's vinyl top car was sold badged, but stripeless. It was sold as a Yenko, had a Yenko window sticker and Yenko dollars were paid.
My car was sitting on the showroom floor at the same time and (same color;Daytona Yellow)without the vinyl top.
My car was striped and badged and his friend even test drove it.
Clint's owner picked his car because he didn't care much for the "fancy" stripes!

It would be nice to find one of these Jack Douglass direct ordered Yenko's with a window sticker....or some old vintage photos with the emblem placement.

When Clint started asking his original owner about badge placement he just kind of chuckled and said;"Son, I bought that car cause she had a Yenko 427 in her, and I like yellow!"
Alot can be learned from that.
I will be thinking about that as I powershift from 1st to 2nd!!!!!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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;"Son, I bought that car cause she had a Yenko 427 in her, and I like yellow!"

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This statement and the statement in the Yenko estate document says it all really.....Jack Douglass found it advantageous to buy the stripes and emblems to enhance retailing the merchandise...they were all just COPO's but there was and still is a certain mystique and lure of a Yenko.

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Well said. I think we could put a fork in this one.

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Wow, a 15 page thread to what seems like a resolution to me.

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People will make up their own minds when they go to buy a car whether they feel a JD car with Yenko accessories is the same as a Canonsburg car and they will pay according to what they feel. There will never be a real consensus on this but there is no reason to keep beating a dead horse.We could use our time better to mess with Stefano or Charley. And if that gets old we can go to Marlin and so on...its more funner ! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

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I noticed that you didn't disagree with my points Mike, but I agree that we have been through this before and I don't want to do it again. Remember, this is how Urban Legends get put into history books! The consensus you speak of is only among those from one side of the debate, therefore it's automatically a consensus. I think the true consensus is that they are Douglass/Yenko COPO cars, with a unique history behind them.

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Marlin, what urban legend would you be refering to? The one where someone states that Douglas cars were the first clones? Who holds or determines what goes in the history books? Hopefully not you.