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Welcome aboard!.
Your info uncovered so far looks promising and we're looking forward to seeing the POP pics too!. Below attached pic of the Glockner lot has been posted here before, possibly even the subject car in this shot?! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...lename=401536- Wasn't Glockner a Yenko network dealer too?. Is it known if they delivered Yenko Camaros as well as the 'regular' L72 Copo Camaros they sourced themselves?. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete |
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a little hint for taking closeups with a digital camera
there is a button (the macro) that looks like a flower you engage/enable/turn it on - it to take closeup pictures [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] |
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Hey Ronnie Redline. Whats the picture of the Red 69 Z/28 with the vinyl top? Give us the scoop on that.
Thanks Mike |
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well i will tell ya one thing, i have been informed that there is a copo out there that is only 5 cars away from mine, when i was a kid someone told me that this car was sold with a sister car ordered with it, im not getting excited but the glockner photo seems to prove it, seems to brothers bought these to "sister cars" and kept them until i guess they got sold to different owners, the rumor has it this is true, but the cars looked almost identical, seems the photo from glockner adds more evindence to the theory maybe, who ever found it HEY thanks for being so kind in sharing that info and photo, this confirms the old sister cars theory, but on the real side who really knows right?
thank you for telling me about the macro button i did know it existed but forgot that i read about it in the manual when i bought it, i will try it again. anybody have any input on the hammer marks next to my rear diff stamping?? is been that way for over 25 yrs so is it a mistake or what? it looks like they stamped it at the factory as one thing, found out they screwed it up and corrected it?? but to correct it they had to do it before they date stamped it, because if they date stamped it then "BE" stamped it then they would be to close together right??? now on the red 69 Z28 this was a fun car, neighbor owned it down the road, i never drove it until i started to like my own car, which was a couple of yrs after i got it, after he found out i had a 69, we were pretty close, it was as original as my own car, he got it for 2500 bucks in 1982 or so, i found out when he brought it over to my place, i drove it alot and took it to some cruise in's and up town, i might have driven it more than him, he acted scared to drive it. let me tell ya it was a fast little small block all the way down to the 4.10 gears in the back, at least i think it had them because it really revved going down the road, the trans always whined loudy, but never went out?? hmmm are you thinking what im thinking? M22 which we didnt even know about back then, it was a very fun car, no crossram but a holley and headers and such.i have lost track of him after i went to college but i bet i could find him, i know his parents real well, i remodeled there whole house about 12-15 yrs ago. my car wasnt driven until about 84 or so might have been 83 i really havent narrowed it down, and dont feel it really necesary, but he didnt tell anyone i had it. dad told him not to tell, funny thing he never did tell?? i am going to try to get more photos, we will have bad weather tuesday and i wont be going to work on the new cape cod, so i might stay in the shop and re-take some photos, i did finally learn how to get them on the site yeah ! ! ! ! ! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] i will try the macro button and see what it does for close ups, has anyone heard of the number "2" being offset on the 4 speeds before?, both of mine have offset, but only the number "2" ?? i will try to get a close up of it and send it in, it looks like something was wrong with the "2"?? it did it both times on the vin of my trans??? does this happen alot or what, they didnt even try to correct it?? i dont know i will look at it again. thanks for everyones suggestions, i will keep it touch and try to answer all the question. your helping and caring is appreciated. |
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daves 68 car and my 69 are the 2 cars i have that are somewhat done, the other 68 and 69 i have are in storage and im begining to work on them, dad says at least get the parts while you can son. but i gotta find out about my car first and get it back together, prefferably to get it out of my shop.
i have some other family vehicles to work on also my little 3 cylinder metro, it gets 48 miles to the gallon, now why cant other cars do that??? |
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i like jonesy's reply, just sitting there eating popcorn and enjoying the show hhaaaa hhhaaaa
to good ! ! ! ! sometimes i do the same. thanks jonesy, your a class act ! ! ! |
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i also have a 83 Z28, wifey wants me to fix it up and let her drive it. it was bought about 12 yrs ago, it has the crossfire injection, it was kinda sluggish to drive, but i bet with some asking around i could make it fly again, it hasnt been touched either, its all original, interior is mint except for the "sudden" headliner falling down in storage, but back in the day finding one of these and maybe even now might not be to hard to do, its comfy to drive though. are these somewhat hard to find now? i heard they only made the 83 and 84 camaro's with the crossfire fuel injection? ive been told there hard to find, anyone else know? mine is blue interior and a silverish blue exterior, but it didnt have rear disc, i converted them to disc, kept the original rear, but now there is no pressure to the back brakes, none at all!!! i had it with it and pulled it back to the storaged place havent touched it for years. most of my hobbies are at the right place, its just not the right time.
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1982-83 Camaros had the optional 305 with crossfire injection.
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holy toledo ! ! !!
here is a new photo using the macro button ENIO45 WAS RIGHT!!!!! it does have a "C" stamped in the rear diff, 3 spaces before the "BE" , why so far away? maybe the hammer marks were done by someone before me or even me as a kid??? the trans says P9?05B, it has marks on it from prying the mid plate off of the trans, it was corroded on when i was a kid and i broke it getting it off. i will be the first here to admit i was wrong on the stamping. i just never touched the rear diff stamp until tonight and sanded the surface to get it good and clean and there it was a big fat "C" in front of the "BE" you learn something everyday huh? |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ronnieredline</div><div class="ubbcode-body">holy toledo ! ! !!
here is a new photo using the macro button ENIO45 WAS RIGHT!!!!! it does have a "C" stamped in the rear diff, 3 spaces before the "BE" , why so far away? maybe the hammer marks were done by someone before me or even me as a kid??? the trans says P9?05B, it has marks on it from prying the mid plate off of the trans, it was corroded on when i was a kid and i broke it getting it off. i will be the first here to admit i was wrong on the stamping. i just never touched the rear diff stamp until tonight and sanded the surface to get it good and clean and there it was a big fat "C" in front of the "BE" you learn something everyday huh?</div></div> Curious if you know of, or remember any other Glockner COPO's if you lived in, or near, Portsmouth back in the day. I have a friend that has a Glockner COPO and is still looking for information on the car. We believe it came to Michigan fairly early in it's life and is a Dusk Blue car. Hope this works out for you and another Glockner COPO is found. |
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now that i found a "C" before the "BE" letters on the rear diff, when i go to the machine shop and look for the letters and numbers on the pad, what should they be? CMN or MN?
this is something to be found out yet. what if they say what i thought they read? MN instead of CMN? if its a MN is it a bad thing? or does it matter, id say it matters especially since i just found the "C" on my rear diff? please let me know what is what. thanks to all |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ronnieredline</div><div class="ubbcode-body">holy toledo ! ! !!
here is a new photo using the macro button ENIO45 WAS RIGHT!!!!! it does have a "C" stamped in the rear diff, 3 spaces before the "BE" , why so far away? maybe the hammer marks were done by someone before me or even me as a kid??? the trans says P9?05B, it has marks on it from prying the mid plate off of the trans, it was corroded on when i was a kid and i broke it getting it off. i will be the first here to admit i was wrong on the stamping. i just never touched the rear diff stamp until tonight and sanded the surface to get it good and clean and there it was a big fat "C" in front of the "BE" you learn something everyday huh? </div></div> Body number 142850 has a C BE dated 10 03 |
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now if i go to the machine shop, and look at the stamping on the engine pad, after he blasts it and dips it, what if its a "MN" and not a "CMN"?
is this a bad thing if the "C" isnt their in front of the "MN" id say its not to good. please let me know, if i can make it soon im going up there its a long drive to say the least. |
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I don't think you should take any more chances. Just sell the Camaro now [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif[/img]
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thansk stefano!!!
i am begining to think the story i was told as a kid is coming true, someone showed me on here a photo of 2 white copo's in front of the glockner chevrolet show room? it sparked an old memory or tale that 2 brothers bought these cars? could the 142850 be the other sister car? its to close not to be? but then who really knows, but they are so close its chilling to say the least, should i post a photo of my cowl tag?, im scared to post the VIN but not sure why im scared, maybe someone will make a clone of it, ive ben warned about these new type of 69 camaro bodys that they are putting together with old cowl tags and VIN"S ??? let me know and thank you again. |
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hey stefano,
i love the humor, congrats by the way!!!! your the first on here anyway to ask for it, hhhaaa nope not selling it, im keeping it for the sole memories of when i was a kid, no monentary value concerned,its all about when you were younger huh? other guys either sold there cars or beat the windshields up and the car to, just because it didnt run, i wasnt like that, i fixed what was wrong and went on. i have a respect for machinery and the likes,if put together right it will work, but then their are design flaws in all of them huh? |
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Don't be afraid my son.......post all pictures into the lite.
142850 is Fathom Green on Green. The VIN is lower than your car and the trim tag is 10A. |
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if you wait i will go and take a photo of the VIN and the cowl tag
let me know im up so late and get up so early , only to work on houses in the mud, man what a strain on the body, but i love houses as much as i love old cars to, im torn between the two. |
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whats the VIN on 142850?
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hey stefano?
the VIN'S anr't consecutive but the body numbers are. |
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I dont think you should be seeing a C before the MN - as far as i know the rear end for the late cars had the stamped C as well as the 70 rears for the 70 camaro's.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: enio45</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I dont think you should be seeing a C before the MN - as far as i know the rear end for the late cars had the stamped C as well as the 70 rears for the 70 camaro's.
</div></div> I believe this to be true as well, the 'C' prefix on the rear makes sense and the location of the 'C' is consistent with a factory stamping. In other words, the 'C' should not be part perfectly in line with the BE, as I don't believe the gang holder could fit the prefix character. The '70 rears are indeed stamped this way, the 'C' is off on its own. From what you've told us, albeit difficult to read sometimes due to the size of the paragraphs, it looks like you have a COPO car. The body number is actually a better indicator than the VIN in this case! Welcome to the site, you'll find everything you need to know here! |
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here are some more pic's
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i cannot figure out how to set the date on my camera, these were taken about 2 months ago, but i cant get the date right, its a canon power shot A560, anyone know how to set it? im not that good with it, i just learned how to use the macro button on it for close up's.
i will try to fix or set it. the time is right but the date is wrong?? if you fix the date it messes up the time and if you fix the time it messes up the date?? what is this a leap year camera or something??? sorry for the mess up. |
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thanks marlin
i will do better with the paragrphs. i did post a photo of my body number, its a photo of the whole cowl tag, look at the pic's, i have some of the crank,block and cam, but the cam i dont think has a chance at belonging to the engine. it needs a part number not just a 427 and a FN right? these are in storage , not kept in the chicken coop with the block. they do look alot better in shape, i do have a excellant pic of the VIN but im to shaky to show it, i dont know why but its like my cars social security number, these days who knows what someone could do with it??? i a used micrometer on the crank, the mains are .010 the rods are .030, bummer i dont think i can use it because im not sure if they make a rod bearing under .030 do they? my luck they dont. is this even the right crank casting number? thanks for the reply. |
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holy toledo bat man!!!
i just noticed in the photo with the cowl tag, it has a orange "T" under it, is this one of the paint stampings ive seen on alot of restored cars?? one of the PBT paint stamps?? ive never seen it till now!!! wow. |
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next to the 427 stamping, it looks like an "HP" upside down, is that a faint part number off to the right?
this is regarding the camshaft end photo. thank you |
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ok..what is the factory plug on the cowl??? I seem to remember seeing that on one of my cars I scrapped years ago....or is my memory going....
great story...what a shame about the block..those d*** chickens!! Is the block salvagable?? again good luck !! |
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i have another question, its about the dash in my car?
if the clock is taken out from the center of the dash, and you look inside, there are two clips on the back of the dash, not even part of the clock, i know how its mounted but look farther down , one on both sides in the center?, they dont attach to anything in the car? there just there, one on each side of the middle of the dash if you were looking at the back of it? is there something missing that these clip into? there is nothing on the metal part of the dash for them to mate to? also on my car is another mystery , the clutch pedal had no hole in it for the safetly neutral switch linkage? anyone know anything about this, it is a 69 pedal for sure, but the hole wasnt there when i tried to put in the switch, the car hasnt had a neutral saftey switch since ive owned it,i did install a new one, and i could see a imprint or "shadow" of where the old one was, so i know it had one?? when i was about 20 i tried to start the car and alot of sparks came out from behind the dash down at the bottom, i found a yellow butt connector on the purple wires, i just reconected them and went on, never really thinking about it except it kept me from cruising for about an hour???? it does have the back up light switch, its a faded white or yellow color and wires going to it, and the column does turn back and forth up by the key switch, is this also for the reverse lock out stuff to? my friends always told me it was an automatic car, but no hole for the shifter handle?? i ignored them and went on. i can get a photo of the original AM radio if someone wants to see it, it has 85% of the tag on it as well. i found it stuffed in my bolt bin along with a radio for a 80 model camaro??? my 83 Z28 has the factory one in it but i dont know what this one goes to??? hmmm thanks again for any and all input. i will check back later. thank you all |
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hello
yes i think this block is salvagable, the hole for the cowl hood i have is just above the fuse box, the hood is stamped 42, i never even knew it was there, i was talking to doug perry and he said while i was on my phone, to look for it, i said i cant see it, theres to much insulation in the way, immediatly he said no no no, look outside in the engine compartment, just above where the wires go into the firwall, i looked and there it was, then with him on the phone i went to the storage place and yanked out some wires from a drawer in storage. here they are i said, he said do they have a fat grommet on them, i said yes about the size of a nickel. congratulations again he said, then he asked where did you get those wires, i said, i took them off of the car when i was a kid, they didnt go to anything, the engine side is only about 12" long but the fuse side is all there. i told him they go to something now i said hhaaa hhhaaaaa. doug is really nice, i had him on the phone for about 2-3 hours, we went from the block to the tranny to the rear diff and marks on the car to hold off valves to a valve under the drivers seat on the frame to a fuel line to brackets to alternators to starters and on and on we went, i lost his call 3-4 times whenever i went under the car, "he said you must have alot of metal still in that car, you lose signal everytime you get under it dont ya" i told him ive had it since it had 38000 on it and it now has 42 or 46000 im not sure. its a neat storie, my best friend dave and I talked about these cars forever when he was alive. doug also said "when ever you want to sell that car...... "call me" i asked if i could call besides selling the car he said well yes you can. he's a cool cat. have a great day thanks for asking about the cowl hood wires. |
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there is a funny looking plug for the oil line on my block,i cant tell if its steel or brass, it looks like steel, i will try a magnet, but is this correct for the oil line? it seems it would burn or melt the oil line to the console if it got to close???
i dont like the design, but see no other way to hook up the oil line? it is about 1" size nut and the top of it is shaved on on both sides? and does fit an oil line brass nut? please let me know thank you |
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im not sure if i should post this here or not, but i have a 396/375 for a 4 speed chevelle, it is coded "JD". its a 4 bolt main, i got it as a kid and was going to use it for a 68 camaro i have, but know that i know there much better with the original car, im looking for the owner.
i can also read the VIN on it, it starts with a 33 or 38, i can give the rest if interested. please let me know |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ronnieredline</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well i threw mine away when i was a kid because i knocked them off getting to the broken dash pad, as i mentioned in my original storie, i dont know what would you take for them? id like 3 if possible, id give you 30 bucks incl shipping?
let me know im trying to posts some photos, how the heck do you do it?? </div></div>Don't think that will buy them Ronnie but thanks anyhow. Sam |
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i just bought 3 of them from a guy, 15.00 for all three, he says he has 6 more?
shipping and handling included. thank you for your reply. i guess things work out for a reason. thank you sam. |
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You did good! I have more than $15.00 in just one. Go back and buy the rest of them Ronnie. They will not go bad and you can use them for SS or Z/28 cars.
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thank you sam
i think i will buy the rest of what he has. i think i already have them in my other 69, but these wont work for a 68, there different. but if i get them, then maybe i can help someone else down the road and help them find some. these are probably hard to find. im going to save them for someone, if i dont need them. thank you |
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hey sam?
if you took out the center clock of a 69 camaro, and looked down inside, or took off the lower steering column cover, without the steering column blocking your view , you can see these 2 clips that are fastened to the backside of the dash. mine dont mate or clip into anything? there just clipped to the back of the plastic dash and dont clip into anything? is there something im missing? please let me know thank you very much. |
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these are metal clips that press onto the thin plastic fins on the back of the plastic dash housing that the speedo, tach and clock go into. mine dont match up with anything at all?
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yes Ronnie they are rare. get them if you can. I will have to check on your question about the dash clips. I am sure sombody else here will chime on on that. There are alot of good guys on this Site. First Generation Addict (James), Rick Nelson,John Karvonen and Steve Shauger (Paceme) to mention a few. I would also take some of thse questions over to the CRG (Camaro Research Group) Just type in CRG on Yahoo search. Sam
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