Re: Is this a copo camaro motor?
 

Geez Erik,
By the time I finished reading your response, I forgot the question, so I had to reread the question. Then, by the time I finished reading your response, I forgot the question, so I had to reread it. Then, by the time I finished reading your response, I forgot the question, so I had to reread it.

Anyone remember the computer "Do Loop"?

I understand about opinion, and I also recognize that something is only worth what someone will pay. If only one person will pay a certain amount (his opinion) you have a sale, but not necessarily the "market price". If many people have the same opinion of worth, then it becomes the market price. (anyone remember Prof Rachley at Pitt, and his supply and demand graph)

Bottom line is I traded my 512 two bolt short block for a 512 CE coded 4 Bolt (F 5 9, so it's a 427, not a 454). I did not do it for monetary gain, nor to try to make my car any more "real". I did it to make it a more accurate tribute car. Hagerty man suggested I raise the value of the car when I get the CE motor in it, which I plan to do. (It's currently insured for $30,000)I was asking for confirmation of the anticipated increase in value (if any) from some of the movers and shakers in the hobby.
Thanks again for the input.

Re: Is this a copo camaro motor?
 

Sorry for the lengthy post guys, but you asked for an opinion and sometimes it takes me more than 2 sentences to express mine.

Unreal, first you began asking about a CE in a COPO, then about one in your tribute car. Comparing a COPO to a tribute car is like comparing apples to oranges, and there are lots of things to take into consideration when trying to determine "market value" of a true COPO or clone car. Hence...my lengthy post.

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Bottom line is I traded my 512 two bolt short block for a 512 CE coded 4 Bolt (F 5 9, so it's a 427, not a 454). I did not do it for monetary gain, nor to try to make my car any more "real". I did it to make it a more accurate tribute car. Hagerty man suggested I raise the value of the car when I get the CE motor in it, which I plan to do.

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A 2 bolt for a 4 bolt is a good trade, since neither motor would be "correct" for a clone/tribute anyhow, so who cares what the code says, if it's a true 4 bolt 427. This swap may in fact increase the "market value" of the car, but not too dramatically IMO. But again, the only way to determine this is an attempt at selling it, where ultimately, it's only worth what the highest bidder will pay on that particular day. Personally, I doubt it would fetch much more with a CE than any other comparable block (i.e. any 512 4 bolt)but that's for you, the purchaser, and the Hagerty man to decide. Personally, I understand your reasoning behind trading a 2 bolt for a 4, but if the 4 bolt was an LD and your 2 bolt was a CE, I'd still have swapped for the 4 bolt since neither would be the "right" engine for a clone/tribute car no matter what code is on it.

I guess the original question should have been, "Is a 512 4 bolt better than my 512 2 bolt, for use in a clone/tribute?" To that I'd have said "Yes." Or if you asked "Will installing a 512 4 bolt instead of a 512 2 bolt increase the value of my clone/tribute any?" I'd have said "try to sell it and find out."

Does that make sense? I Hope I didn't lose anyone back there... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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The thing in this picture that everybody is missing is using correct dated parts on a clone is using up the supply of parts for the REAL cars. I not saying any thing against clones but why use them when anything would work JMO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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The thing in this picture that everybody is missing is using correct dated parts on a clone is using up the supply of parts for the REAL cars. I not saying any thing against clones but why use them when anything would work JMO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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But as far as a clone car goes, I wouldn't spend big $$$ looking for properly coded and dated parts, so long as visually they appear correct. Here a CE block or one from a passenger car seem equally appropriate to me, since neither should be passed off as the original engine in a clone, and both would be equally as easy to dress up like the MN that it isn't. I wouldn't worry about stampings or codes on a clone, I'd make sure it was a solid lifter 69 era 427 and go from there.

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Re: Is this a copo camaro motor?
 

I think if I were trying to pass off the car as real, or the motor as original, I would not be calling myself "Unreal" and especially would not posting the questions in the way I have been.

You are correct, Kim when you say "using up the available parts on a clone is making them less available for the real cars."
That would hold true for anything from engines to bumper bolts. You know what they say about what talks and what walks.
If someone were to make me an offer I couldn't refuse, the motor is theirs. Otherwise, I guess I'll "preserve" it in my Tribute Car, until someone wants it bad enough.

Did not mean for this to turn into another "clone" debate.

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Personally, I don't see what difference it makes if someone who can't afford the real thing goes to the trouble to build a "tribute" car or clone as accurately as possible. Yes, the parts are getting harder to find, but nobody has exclusive rights to them. This is a hobby to a lot of people and to some, restoring a tribute car as accurately as possible is the closest they will come to owning the real thing. If I were building a COPO clone, I would go with the CE engine over the big car engine.

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Don't get me wrong, I can see this argument from both sides of the fence. I just thought the original question was about finding a more correct block for a real car, and its adding value, which I think it would a lot more in a real car than the same engine would in a clone/tribute, as they appeal to two entirely different types of buyers with entirely different intentions for their cars. This is a very complex debate, and sometimes leads to lengthy posts above. I personally wouldn't shell out the market value for some of these dated parts for a clone, since I don't think they're integral to the overall purpose of a clone/tribute car's being built. For a real car, sure, the rare parts are worth the big $$$ to have a "more complete" real car in the end, which is what we're all after right?

Jeff makes a valid point too, no one is owed these rare parts because they happen to have a real car. Market value is determined by all the people that want them, for whatever the intended purpose. There are lots of people who have real supercar parts but no real supercars, myself included, and I don't see anyone lining up to give us a deal on a real car. I guess that's the rub of the free market society, but that's the good ol' US of A. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

Re: Is this a copo camaro motor?
 

Maybe all clone engines should have the block decked. No more letters, no more numbers, no more problem!

Tom Williams

Re: Is this a copo camaro motor?
 

Then there would be no "real" parts to go with the "real" cars.
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Re: Is this a copo camaro motor?
 

who said it was a problem?