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Big Block Bill 10-16-2017 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by drdave69 (Post 1371358)
By the way this is in my 1966 Corvette. The Holley is no longer on the engine. It has FAST EFI now. I recently checked the ground strap from the engine to the front crossmember and cleaned the surfaces. I also installed a second ground strap on the other side of the engine to the frame rail (with cleaned surfaces).

The 502 has the HEI that came with the engine 12 years ago. I bought another new coil this past Saturday, installed it and it did not cure the problem.

I do not know how to hotwire it but I will check the voltage when cold and hot.

Thanks for the info.
Make sure the metal ground strap under the coil is present. It goes from a coil mounting screw to the cavity in the cap next to the 12 volt power supply. I had a Cadillac that drove us crazy from someone leaving it out when they changed the cap / coil. Just an idea FWIW.

Bill

earntaz 10-16-2017 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Block Bill (Post 1371403)
Make sure the metal ground strap under the coil is present. It goes from a coil mounting screw to the cavity in the cap next to the 12 volt power supply. I had a Cadillac that drove us crazy from someone leaving it out when they changed the cap / coil. Just an idea FWIW.

Bill
Your right --

Justoldchevys 10-16-2017 10:07 PM
Is your wiring harness all original? If so the wire that supplies power to the coil is probably a resistence wire. Look at it closely you will notice it being different. You will need to remove that wire and replace it with normal wire to provide the correct voltage to the hei coil

earntaz 10-16-2017 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Justoldchevys (Post 1371424)
Is your wiring harness all original? If so the wire that supplies power to the coil is probably a resistence wire. Look at it closely you will notice it being different. You will need to remove that wire and replace it with normal wire to provide the correct voltage to the hei coil
Hopefully however did the conversion would know that -- or maybe not ... a lack of full 12v to an HEI will have issues.

drdave69 10-17-2017 06:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Block Bill (Post 1371403)
Make sure the metal ground strap under the coil is present. It goes from a coil mounting screw to the cavity in the cap next to the 12 volt power supply. I had a Cadillac that drove us crazy from someone leaving it out when they changed the cap / coil. Just an idea FWIW.

Bill


It is present.

drdave69 10-17-2017 06:46 PM
The engine was running fine when I bought it (April 2016) and did so until this time last year (Oct. 2016). That is when this issue popped up. I have since put in new plugs, wires, ign coil, cap, rotor. Had the timing checked. Had Eric rebuild the Holley and recently had the EFI installed. So far, nothing has solved the issue.

drdave69 10-30-2017 11:45 AM
I finally got around to checking the starting voltage. I pulled off the input voltage wire from the HEI and checked the voltage with key on. It is 11.8 v. In start mode it goes to 9.8 v. It is the same when the engine is up to operating temp. The next thing I am gonna check is the voltage when running but that involves removing the cap from the coil.

I also drove it about 10 miles and it also has a miss. Got to be something wrong with the ignition but I haven't figured it out yet.

earntaz 10-30-2017 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by drdave69 (Post 1373216)
I finally got around to checking the starting voltage. I pulled off the input voltage wire from the HEI and checked the voltage with key on. It is 11.8 v. In start mode it goes to 9.8 v. It is the same when the engine is up to operating temp. The next thing I am gonna check is the voltage when running but that involves removing the cap from the coil.

I also drove it about 10 miles and it also has a miss. Got to be something wrong with the ignition but I haven't figured it out yet.
I'd still try to "hot wire" it ... 12V lead from + side of battery to the IGN terminal on HEI. That would isolate the ign system from all except the 12V source.

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet. Do you have an electonic tach connected to the HEI? If so, you may want to unplug it also in case the tach is causing an issue ... TAZ

L78_Nova 10-30-2017 05:49 PM
When it is hot and it "won't start" is it cranking over at normal speed or hard cranking?

Had a similar issue with freshly powder coated engine mounts frame etc. Would fire cold but not hot (cranked very slow). Poor ground through the coating. I added a ground cable from the block to frame and all is well.

drdave69 10-31-2017 11:15 AM
I'm not sure how to 'hot wire' it to the battery. Will it still start/stop using the keyed ignition switch if I run a wire to the + at battery and 12v side of the HEI? I still have the original tach in the car and the EFI has a control/monitoring module that has a multitude of 'gauges' including a tach. The wire in the HEI is part of the EFI harness.

When the engine is hot it will turn over just fine, it just takes time to fire. I usually open the throttle (1/2 - full pedal) to get it started.


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