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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markjohnson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh snap! I didn't realize that you had the infamous Crane #131311 camshaft in that motor. Crane really hit onto something with that great camshaft and Ive known many cars that have flown with it. One in particular was an early Camaro , crate LS6 with that exact camshaft that spit out 10.60's. </div></div>
DAMN!! Eric, thanks for clearing that up. I see problems in your NEAR future!!!! When you switch out the heads, you might as well put the rollbar in?:( Not sure about your track there, but around here I think 11.99 they are looking for them, 11.49 I think it's a MUST unless your a late model 'Vette/Viper. Good luck. I "might" get around to posting my ZL-1 build. Been a couple years in the making, but I'm sure it will be worth it. BTW, how do you like the Legend 5sp? What are they rated for? I have a Nash 4+1 for my '69 Nova I'm think about using, but not 100% on that? I haven't seen much on-line with regards to what these trans can handle? Looking for 900Hp 800lbs/ft range in a 3000lbs car for the street. John |
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John;
The car has EASY 11's in it now, like I said though the driver (me!) needs a LOT of practice to get it there though. The "official" cut-off is supposed to be 11.49 for a rollbar (excluding some late model stuff), but often there's some discretion involved, at least on T&T night. I know of two other local racers who've already been in the low 11's w/o a bar or cage and they haven't been sent packing yet. I would be very interested in seeing your ZL1 build. So far I'm very happy with the Legend. As I've said previously it's BIG and it's pretty heavy, and it is a little noisy when it's cold--much like an M22, but it quiets down once it's warmed up. Is your Nash an early torque tube type? As an aside, I made an interesting discovery with the Chevelle today, follow-up post coming in a moment.... *edit* waiting on Photobucket to do its thing with a video [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] |
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FINALLY!
No WONDER I couldn't find/hit my shift points. Click the pic: http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d7...pstwupzncf.jpg |
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I would think that tach can be repaired.....no need for a new one. I really like the 10 grand tach.
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I've lost confidence in it at this point, going to step up to a better unit (Autometer) and be done with it.
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Eric, please do not race below the sanctioning times
W/O a roll bar that meets requirements. Because others are getting away with it is not a reason!!! Dicky |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">John;
The car has EASY 11's in it now, like I said though the driver (me!) needs a LOT of practice to get it there though. The "official" cut-off is supposed to be 11.49 for a rollbar (excluding some late model stuff), but often there's some discretion involved, at least on T&T night. I know of two other local racers who've already been in the low 11's w/o a bar or cage and they haven't been sent packing yet. I would be very interested in seeing your ZL1 build. So far I'm very happy with the Legend. As I've said previously it's BIG and it's pretty heavy, and it is a little noisy when it's cold--much like an M22, but it quiets down once it's warmed up. Is your Nash an early torque tube type? As an aside, I made an interesting discovery with the Chevelle today, follow-up post coming in a moment.... *edit* waiting on Photobucket to do its thing with a video [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] </div></div> Eric, WATCH that T&T running faster! I did that with my Nova back YEARS ago (1996 maybe). Went to a T&T and was still 1/8 miling the car due to no rollbar. Well to other cars pitted by me were UNDER the 11.49. One was 11.20's and the other went 10.80's, like 3/4 passes each. So I went the full 1/4. The only time I did that with that combo, 1 1/4 pass. Went 10.47. Guy came over like nothing saying nice car, how fast what's done etc etc. Well he was THE track guy and promptly told me I was done for the day! I told him it must be a mistake as the cars not that fast. I want and asked for 1 more run, out the back door just to see that it wasn't that fast (lol I knew it was a mid 10 car). I wanted to try the NOS on the last hit, but wasn't allowed. My Nash is set-up as torsion tube at this time. But I also have a whole gear set and tube to make a NON torsion tube trans as well. My '69 Nova that the ZL_1 is going in with the Nash is a FULL 10 point, 8.50 certified car now. Car will look "mostly" stock. Will have headers, shifter, rollbar. I'm thinking of keeping the 15X8 rallys with a 275 Dr PRO tire. Looking for low low 9's or maybe an 8 with "198" intake on too. Just a mild little streetcar! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] |
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Just had the Chevelle weighed at the local grain elevator--scales are accurate within 20 lbs. With me in it and ~1/2 tank of fuel, 3960 lbs.
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Heavy, manual transmission cars are the most destructive force known to mankind!
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(Also posted on Facebook, please forgive the redundancy, don't know if anyone here reads my posts there or not)
I decided to replace the faulty Sunpro tach in the Chevelle with an Autometer unit...actually, TWO Autometer units--a conventional 5" 8000 rpm monster tach (#3980) AND a combination mini tach & programmable shift light (#5350). Why 2 tachs? Several reasons; The 3980 for general purposes--easy to read at a glance. The 5350 will be used mainly as a shift light--it can be programmed for up to 5 separate shift points including a launch rpm light. Aside from the separate shift lights, the most appealing feature of the 3980 is that it can play back up to 90 seconds of engine rpm when hooked to a conventional tach. I ordered them in and got them on the 25th, and installed them on the 26th. The instructions were followed to the letter. The 3980 works perfectly. The 5350...not so much. It wouldn't go into tach mode to read rpm. I called Autometer tech, and after verifying the wiring was hooked up correctly, the tech instructed me to return the unit to Autometer for repairs. So I'm back to "hurry up and wait" mode. I'm looking forward to another track outing once I get the light back in the car. More eventually. |
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Two updates to post:
1) The tach issue has been resolved, I'll try to post more details tomorrow or Saturday. 2) I've purchased a trailer hitch system for my Suburban so I'll be able to tow the car myself instead of having to rely on someone else. The parts should be in tomorrow or Monday, so hopefully by next week I'll get everything installed an operational. I don't have my own trailer (yet), but a close friend has a new 18' 10K lb open trailer which he's going to let me use whenever I need (as long as he isn't using it at the time of course). |
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The Suburban is now equipped with a class 4 Curt trailer hitch along with a shiny new rear bumper to replace the rusted out original.
A trailer brake and harness will be installed shortly, and since I have access to a trailer now, with any luck the Chevelle will be back to the track before the end of the month. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-31909-001.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-31910-002.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-31911-003.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-31912-004.jpg More soon--I hope. |
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Eric,
cant go wrong with this controller https://www.southwestwheel.com/store...sha-prodigy-p2 and you can get a plug and play harness. |
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How did you like the weight of that old bumper! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif[/img] Holy crap they are heavy. I replaced mine with another used one off craigslist and was shocked by how heavy it was, and by the area behind the bumper that must have been a trap for salt and moisture - very crusty! Used a lot of POR15 back there to seal it up.
Where did you get the new bumper? Most are reasonable in cost but the shipping is a killer. I need a front bumper for my diesel K2500 Suburban (diesels have the two air inlet holes on either side of the license plate bracket) but the shipping costs are painful at the moment. |
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Eric we need to get out to Xenia before the season is over and have some fun
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Donnie;
I already have a Curt controller, having a friend install it (and the trailer light harness) for me in trade for setting up his Dominator for more civilized street manners. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] http://www.summitracing.com/parts/cht-51110 http://static.summitracing.com/globa...t-51110_ml.jpg Steve; They're definitely not lightweights, that's for sure. I purchased mine locally here. It comes with new mounting hardware, a new licence light harness, and even comes with new outer braces. I re-used the original outer braces as I would've had to drop the tank to access the fasteners on the top of the frame--that ain't happening. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img] And yes, there's rust o'plenty back there. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif[/img] Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if I wound up having to replace the frame on this thing eventually. (strong sentimental attachment to this truck, plan on keeping it for as long as practically possible) Doug; That's precisely what I'm trying to do! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] There's no sense in having my friend trailer me down again since we can't make it there until after 7:00 at best, which only leaves time for 2 or 3 runs...pretty much a waste of time. Once the `Burb's capable of towing, I can be there before 5:00 when the gates open. I have a <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-style: italic"><span style="text-decoration: underline">LOT</span></span></span> of lost time to make up for!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif[/img] |
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Eric -- it appears the bumper you removed is totally "used up" ... TAZ
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It was--local trash pickers came by yesterday evening and scooped it up for scrap metal.
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Knocked the winter garage dust off and took the car out for the first time this year...took a friend for a little ride...maybe he'll chime in. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]
Kil-Kare will be opening soon...just sayin' [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img] C'moooooon springtime!!!!!! |
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I'm the "friend" from above. Was picking up my rebuilt "4346" from Eric. Embarrassed to say the least. Here is what a neglected Holley looks like on the inside! ArRrGgggh!!!
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...2-img_7284.jpg Now, on to the more important stuff. Eric, being the consummate customer-focused business man, felt obliged to show his customer (me) what a well built carburetor (and a well built motor) can do for an A body. So we went for a pre-Spring shake down "cruise". Well the cruise lasted exactly 8 minutes till we made the outskirts of town and then all hell broke loose. Car hooked real good and set my eyeballs to the backs of their sockets. But, that's what 600+ ft lbs of torque and grippy tires will do. Eric - I am a satisfied customer. I'll be getting the carb back on my L78 this weekend and I can't wait to here her rumble again! Thanks Eric! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img] |
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Thank you Sam, it was my privilege. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just had the Chevelle weighed at the local grain elevator--scales are accurate within 20 lbs. With me in it and ~1/2 tank of fuel, 3960 lbs.
Yep. It's a tank. </div></div> 3960!!!! Are you serious?? DAMN you a "portly" guys Eric. I know a few guys that RUN 67 Chevelle's, John Wilson Red '67 was 3615 and "Crazy Dave's '67 is 3508. John's was pump gas and OEM oval port heads and motor from VortecPro Mark Jones. Crazy's '67 was a Struab tech pump gas hyd roller with were auto trans too? My '61 Pontiac with 409 and 4 speed was only 3780, me 218 and a half tank of gas. Man that car is your is heavy!!!!!!! |
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----Red Alert was 3980 with my 200lbs in the drivers seat and about 5 gallons of 110 octane aboard......Bill S
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"Portly"???...wtf? Now I'm a fatass...that's nice.
The car weighed 3680 without me in it and with ~ 1/2 tank of fuel. That's with an iron head big block, bench seat, steel wheels, a (heavy-ass) Legend 5 speed manual gear box, a Quicktime steel scattershield & block plate, and a full 3" exhaust out the back. |
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Wouldn't describe Eric as portly. Just a big guy.
Eric, is that cross section of the new trailer hitch 3" or 4" square tubing. I am getting ready to make a hidden hitch for my 68 El Camino, using a 69 Camaro fold down license plate to hide the receiver. I have some 4" tubing I think will do for the cross piece. |
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Thank you Lynn.
For the record (but not that it matters), I'm 6' and hover somewhere around 275-280. Yes, I've got a bit of a belly--but I can also bench & squat (ass to ankles, no chicken-shit 1/2 squats) 315+, and that's with bad knees, a bad back <span style="font-style: italic">and</span> bad shoulders...I think that's fairly respectable for a 50 year old fart. I'll get a measurement on the hitch for you shortly. |
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Dude, I've got corns older than you.
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OOPS. This was meant as a pm.
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LOL sorry Eric, didn't know "how" to word it, so just used "PORTLY"?
Was away on vacay in sunny Arizona and away from my computer, or better stayed AWAY from it. That's pretty go with the weights. I too just turned 50, also 5'10" but I'm only 225. Can still "preacher curl" 4 plates on a bar on the bench as well. I have ALWAYS had a belly but also 50" chest with it. |
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Nothing like doing a job over because of garbage repop parts.
Notice anything--eh--amiss here? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-42393-001.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-42394-002.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-42395-003.jpg Notice how the frame bracket for the clutch Z-bar has bent severely inboard towards the engine. To recap: someone had pilfered the original Z-bar bracket from the car's frame before I bought the car. Naturally, I was unable to source a good original bracket (we won't even talk about the rest of the clutch linkage...), so I was forced to go with a repop. At the time, there was only one available, and it was notably thinner (--1/8" to be specific--) than an original component. Something told me this was going to come back to haunt me later...as usual, I was right--as the pictures show. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] Thankfully, someone now reproduces the bracket in the original 3/16" thickness. I picked one up a couple of months back and called in a favor from a friend to cut off the old bracket and weld the new one on for me (he's a far better welder than I am). New bracket in place: https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-42396-004.jpg Remnants of the old bracket--effortlessly crumpled like tinfoil. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-42397-005.jpg Now comes the fun of trying to get the inner fender back in place w/o borking anything up in the process. Can't let the cat out of the bag just yet, but there may be more updates in about a month. More soon--I hope. |
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I just wonder how the hell (whoever made that piece) they thought 1/8 material would stand up??? TAZ
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I love cats in the Bag.....looking forward to you letting her out ;-)
Well done as usual [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] Dan |
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It's back together.
One thing's for certain--wrasslin' that damned inner fender out of and back into the car ranks right up there with ripping back a fingernail or getting fragged by an exploding cut-off wheel on the old fun-o-meter. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img] On the plus side, the clutch pedal feels <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">MUCH</span></span> better, and we even nailed the clutch adjustment on the first try. Now if I can just find the gumption to get the car converted back over to power steering...(this thing is a serious bitch to maneuver & park!) More soon--mebbie next month...here's a hint... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img] |
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The last piece(s) of the puzzle.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...hitch_ball.jpg God willing and the creek don't rise, I hope to get the car back to Kil Kare this Thursday. |
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Good luck Eric [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gif[/img]
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One step forward, two steps back.
So I finally got around to swapping out the manual steering for an original power set-up...got sick & tired of wrasslin' that uncooperative sumbitch into tight parking spaces, etc. (--if Rachel ever had to drive the car, there would be <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">no way</span></span> she'd be able to maneuver it at low speeds [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img] ) So.... Out with the old: https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-43734-001.jpg Vacancy: https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-43735-002.jpg Remote reservoir mounted: https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-43736-003.jpg All ready to install (--or so I thought) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-43737-004.jpg (The Pitman arm was just slipped on 180° out temporarily while I wrestled the new rag joing on) Aaaaannnnnnnd.....we come to a screeching halt yet again. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-43738-005.jpg *Edit* Mystery solved---apparently the PS pulley is correct and I need a 3 groove crank pulley. More shortly... |
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Ouch!!!
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You and Kwhizz make for fascinating reading! Inspirational too.
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Joe Smith to the rescue!
Joe ROCKS! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif[/img] I was unaware that the big blocks with power steering took a 3 groove crank pulley. Looking at the installation it seemed somewhat obvious that the PS belt should've ran on the unused groove on the 2 groove pulley arrangement, but alas....GM, again in their inimitable wisdom ( [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img] ) thought it better to throw yet another monkey wrench into the mix. A few quick calls to Joe yesterday got me the info I needed, and by sheer luck, Joe had the 3 groove pulley I needed--not only that, he went <span style="font-weight: bold">WAY</span> above & beyond and got it to me overnight! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-43796-001.jpg Why the rush?--because I'm trying my best to get the car back together & ready to take to Kil Kare tomorrow, and seeing as how for the last month + all but ONE test & tune session has been cancelled due to rain and the forecast for tomorrow is SUPER-nice, I don't want to waste another opportunity if I don't absolutely have to. That said, it's all back together now save for a belt for the power steering pump and filling & bleeding the system (and praying for no leaks & the steering box works!) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-43797-002.jpg https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-43799-003.jpg The only other concern I have at the moment is the proximity of the return hose to the #1 header tube. In the pic below the pump is slid inwards towards the engine (for belt installation) so the hose is very close to the tube, but with the pump slid towards the outer end of its adjustment (after the belt is installed & tightened) there's notably more room. (Sorry for the ultra-crappy pics! My shop is little more than a Dungeon, so lighting for decent pics is SORELY lacking! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif[/img] ) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...-43800-004.jpg The thing that confuses me is the return nipple on the back of my pump housing points upwards while the AIM (and several other reference pics I've found) show the factory return nipple pointing downwards--which would alleviate the issue with the header tube. Not sure what the deal is there yet, but I'll get it figured out--eventually. Rachel's out running parts right now, so as soon as she gets back I'll head to the parts store and pick up the belt. Fingers crossed! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif[/img] |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You and Kwhizz make for fascinating reading! Inspirational too. </div></div>
"Fascinating"...lol...I suppose that's one way to put it. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] |
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